I find it hilarious that Cardinal fans come on this board and expect us Reds fans to be all giddy and in agreement with the fact that except for LaRussa, they get off essentially scott free, well because they're the Cardinals.
It's the ole classic double standard. It's okay for us to instigate and accuse people of cheating and complain about this or that and everybody should just take it, because they're the Cardinals.
They preach professionalism, but when they fail to act like professionals - well it's the other guys fault "because he hurt my feelings." He can't say that to us because "we're the Cardinals."
What they should have done and left it at that was beat the snot out of the Reds, which they did. They cheapened what they did, because they had to use it as motivation because they've underacheived all season. If you are true professionals you rise above criticism, not give into it or do the same thing because the other guy did.
Brandon Phillips failed at it too and probably so did Dusty and others. But, the Reds at least aren't hypocritical. They don't go around claiming this and claiming that and then doing the opposite or blaming the other guy for their reaction.
The whole thing was bad for baseball and the Cardinals were just as guilty as the Reds were.
You are just saying that because Carp is great pitch for the Cards, if it had been a scrub you wouldn't even care. It is just stupidity to say you suspend a guy for Jawing, I don't even think Phillips should be suspended for cussing the entire cardinal organization.
I generally agree with your point, but Molina didn't ignore him. He kicks the bat away on the tap and starts talking immediately. He decided before he even took the field that when Phillips came up and tapped like he always does, he was going to be ready for it. He basically admitted as much in the postgame interview.
FWIW, I really don't have a big problem with any of it from either team. Its a playoff race between teams that don't like each other. Things happen.
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Reds should just accuse the Cardinals of cheating every time they win. Or say they are just a hot team with no talent. Or you know try to spike their 2nd baseman every chance they get. Or try to throw at their starting pitchers head.
You know stuff classy teams do.
I can agree that Molina was provoked and didn't do anything very far out of line. People would say he should have just ignored it and went on but no professional athlete or any of us would have no reaction to that. But to think Carpenter didnt do anything wrong is just ludicrous, sorry.
"Today was the byproduct of us thinking we can come back from anything." - Joey Votto after blowing a 10-1 lead and holding on for the 12-11 win on 8/25/2010.
Go back and find the "Chris Carpenter is a..." thread from a few days back. My initial response to that prompt, even after he went after Brenden Ryan was "a great pitcher with passion."
Whatever he said to Dusty, it was obviously inappropriate. Scott Rolen is not a guy who snaps easily. He went from calm to murderous rage in a hurry. Carpenter had no business being in Dusty's face and whatever he said was out of line, period.
Also, I should point out that I DON'T think Carpenter should have been suspended. I simply stated that he was out of line. Getting dominated by Scott Rolen and carried into the fence like a ***** was punishment enough.
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I wasn't aware of this - the camera wasn't focused on their interaction when it happened live.
Still, I can't really fault Molina for standing up against a guy who was that aggressive towards his team. The only person who needed to be suspended (beyond the skippers) was suspended. You can't start using those cleats to hurt people, even if you are doing so out of a panic.
Furthermore... what the hell was little Cueto doing in there in the first place? You're the starting pitcher sitting on the bench waiting for the top of the second. Let the position players go out there and fight that battle. I can understand why Garcia was right in the middle of it, he was on the mound and ran in as soon as things got heated. Cueto should have used his head and stayed to the fringe. I can't sit here and criticize Chrissy Carpenter for running into the middle without throwing the same criticism at Cueto too.
That would be hypocritical.
Phillips should not have been suspended for tapping him on the shin again. The three suspensions that were handed out were the correct suspensions. Let's leave it at that and move on.
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OK, and like i said, if thats the route you wanna go then you have to be ready if there is punishment. There wasnt any, so no issue, but it makes him just as guilty in my opinion, and it would in court if a fight had broken out in real world public. I see it every week in court, a fight goes to court, someone says "well, he said blah blah bla so I stepped up to him", and the judge says "you should not have stepped up to him, there are more appropriate ways to handle it" and they both get their appropriate punishment. If Molina cant take being called a little childish name like that, he really doesnt need to be in public. If someone cuts him off in traffic and calls him a beeotch and flips him the bird, does he confront them?
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