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    Leake to be Shut Down?

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    johnfayman #Reds are considering shutting down Leake. "We're addressing it now," Baker said.
    I'm all for this move. He's just got nothing left at this point.
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    Re: Leake to be Shut Down?

    I concur.

    I really like the guy. I love his moxy on the mound and I think he's got a bright future. He deserves a big pat on the back for his rookie season.

    With all that said, it's past time. Maybe move him to the DL so he can stay with the big club. I don't see any point in sending him to AAA.
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    Re: Leake to be Shut Down?

    My guess is that they wait til Friday to make any more roster moves. I think you will see Chapman up and Cabrera activated. Potentially Maloney, trade/claim, or someone gets added to the 40 man roster to help the rotation.
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    Re: Leake to be Shut Down?

    Could they put Leake on the DL (15/60 day)?
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    Re: Leake to be Shut Down?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Operator View Post
    I concur.

    I really like the guy. I love his moxy on the mound and I think he's got a bright future. He deserves a big pat on the back for his rookie season.

    With all that said, it's past time. Maybe move him to the DL so he can stay with the big club. I don't see any point in sending him to AAA.
    Points would be:

    1. He keeps pitching and stretches that IP number up to the 160's which would set him up as a potential 200 IP guy in 2011. If he stops at 140, we'll be going through this same thing next year.

    2. Minor league time would push back free agency for a season. Major league DL continues to accumulate service time.

    3. He gets to pitch against lesser competitiion and hopefully finish his seson with some success and possibly a taste of the AAA play-offs. That's probably a better way to send him into the off season than the memory of being a batting tee for 3 months and then being shut down.

    Its long past time for Mr. Leake to be taking regular turns at Louisville IMO.
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    Re: Leake to be Shut Down?

    I didn't see what his stuff looked like last night, was it that bad?

    I have been in favor of shutting him down early, I just hope it wasn't too late.
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    Re: Leake to be Shut Down?

    Quote Originally Posted by LoganBuck View Post
    I didn't see what his stuff looked like last night, was it that bad?

    I have been in favor of shutting him down early, I just hope it wasn't too late.
    He seemed to trying to aim his pitches. It just looks like his ball is staying flat. Maybe he is tired, maybe he just lost the feel. Either or, it's not good.
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    Re: Leake to be Shut Down?

    Someone with a better memory than me might be able to recall how Leake pitched very late last season for Arizona State. I seem to remember him having a sore arm, but they still threw him out there for their last game. That last game he threw, I thought his ball was very flat with little movement, and he got hit pretty well.

    That's what I saw last night too. Everything was pretty straight. Early in the year, his ball danced around a lot more.

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    Re: Leake to be Shut Down?

    I was against moving him to the pen to limit his innings. Guy has pitched as a starter all season long. Why mess with it? You either pitch him as a starter or shut him down for the year.

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    Re: Leake to be Shut Down?

    The Reds should Dl Leake then they could recall Jordan Smith. This way both Smith and Leake would be playoff eligible. Leake would also get the chance to rest his arm and it would limit his innings as well.

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    Re: Leake to be Shut Down?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gallen5862 View Post
    The Reds should Dl Leake then they could recall Jordan Smith. This way both Smith and Leake would be playoff eligible. Leake would also get the chance to rest his arm and it would limit his innings as well.
    I am very much in favor of this. Without having the required medical info, Leake just doesn't look right. I think his mental approach is solid but he clearly isn't able to place the ball where he wants to and has less velocity than usual. A trip to the DL would be a very smart move.

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    Re: Leake to be Shut Down?

    Quote Originally Posted by bucksfan2 View Post
    I was against moving him to the pen to limit his innings. Guy has pitched as a starter all season long. Why mess with it? You either pitch him as a starter or shut him down for the year.
    This is something that I have been thinking for a long time. The dude pitched a whale of a lot better out of the rotation but then they started skipping him to give him more rest and presto he didn't do near as well. Then he goes to the bullpen and same thing. It very well could be that he has lost it but I think it is possible that he just doesn't need 8 days between starts or whatever he was getting there toward the end. I'm not sure that the medicine isn't the problem.
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    Re: Leake to be Shut Down?

    I say plan for the future and send him down to LOU to let him start two more games or so, maybe throw in the playoffs and pat him on the back and say good job.

    think for the future, instead of forcing him into a spot that may hurt him and the club this year
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    Re: Leake to be Shut Down?

    The white elephant that nobody's addressing is that Leake has never pitched in the minors and I have to believe that distinction is important to him. I bet he wants to be noted for that when he retires. I think this is an issue.

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    Re: Leake to be Shut Down?

    Quote Originally Posted by mth123 View Post
    Points would be:

    1. He keeps pitching and stretches that IP number up to the 160's which would set him up as a potential 200 IP guy in 2011. If he stops at 140, we'll be going through this same thing next year.

    2. Minor league time would push back free agency for a season. Major league DL continues to accumulate service time.

    3. He gets to pitch against lesser competitiion and hopefully finish his seson with some success and possibly a taste of the AAA play-offs. That's probably a better way to send him into the off season than the memory of being a batting tee for 3 months and then being shut down.

    Its long past time for Mr. Leake to be taking regular turns at Louisville IMO.
    That would make sense if, and only if, his ineffectiveness has nothing to do with being worn down by the grind of his first pro season. If fatigue is the concern, then throwing him out there in Louisville isn't going to accomplish anything good. Yes, I know about wanting to stretch out the innings pitched, but life doesn't always follow the textbook. If he's done, he's done. As a first-year pro, a direct comp to college innings isn't necessarily valid.

    And if he's done, sending him to Louisville is solely about jacking around with his service time. Eventually, karma gets even.
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