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    2011 40-man?

    Trades will more than likely remove/add a name or two and yes, I do think the Reds may give Alonso a crack at the LF job. Who would you subtract? Who would you add?

    Infielders

    Joey Votto
    Todd Frazier
    Brandon Phillips
    Chris Valaika
    Zach Cozart
    Paul Janish
    Scott Rolen
    Juan Francisco

    Outfielders

    Yonder Alonso
    Wladimir Balentein
    Drew Stubbs
    Chris Heisey
    Jay Bruce
    Danny Dorn
    Felix Perez

    Catchers

    Ramon Hernandez
    Ryan Hannigan
    Devin Mesoraco
    Wilton Castillo

    Starters

    Bronson Arroyo
    Jonny Cueto
    Travis Wood
    Homer Bailey
    Edinson Volquez
    Mike Leake
    Aroldis Chapman
    Matt Maloney
    Matt Klinker
    Sam Lecure

    Relievers

    Phil Valiquette
    Carlos Fisher
    Enerio Del Rosario
    Bill Bray
    Jared Burton
    Logan Ondrusek
    Jordan Smith
    Jose Arrendando
    Nick Masset
    Arthur Rhodes
    Franciso Cordero

    May not need to be on the 40:

    Felix Perez
    Devin Mesaraco

    Omissions:

    Micah Owings
    Corky Miller
    Danny Ray Hererra


    Most Likely Cuts:

    Danny Dorn
    Matt Maloney
    Jared Burton
    Bill Bray
    Last edited by corkedbat; 08-28-2010 at 03:35 AM.

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    Re: 2011 40-man?

    I've been looking at this a bit. Some things off the top of my head.

    You need to add Yasmani Grandal. He can take Castillo's spot who I don't think will be on.

    I'm guessing that they bring Gomes back to fill a spot.

    Not sure if Sappelt needs to be on. Maybe Jordan Hotchkiss too. Perez may not need to be on, I don't really know about those three.

    Bray and Burton are iffy. They could be non-tendered.

    The Reds may decide to bring back Rhodes and maybe Cabrera. If so, they would pretty much fill the spots that you have Dorn and Wlad.
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    Re: 2011 40-man?

    Sappelt, Perez and Klinker don't need to be added yet if I have it right,

    But Hotchkiss, Scott Carroll, Kris Negron and Miguel Rojas may be guys that the team will want to protect from Rule 5. Wlad and Dorn fall into that category but I just don't see Dorn being added. Wlad I'm not so sure.

    Burton has made 800K+ to be a minor leaguer in 2010. I'm guessing he'll be non-tendered to free a spot.

    Ramon's option is another question. I'd guess that they will exercise it.

    My guess

    Code:
    
    Spot	POS	Name	           $
    1	P	Johnny Cueto	4.00
    2	P	Bronson Arroyo	13.00
    3	P	Matt Maloney	0.40
    4	P	Homer Bailey	0.40
    5	P	Mike Leake	0.40
    6	P	Nick Masset	1.55
    7	P	Fran Cordero    12.00
    8	P	Logan Ondrusek	0.40
    9	P	Edinson Volquez	2.50
    10	P	D R Herrera	0.40
    11	P	Bill Bray	0.50
    12	P	Travis Wood	0.40
    13	P	Carlos Fisher	0.40
    14	P	Aroldis Chapman	1.00
    15	P	Phil Valiquette	0.40
    16	P	Jose Arredondo	1.00
    17	P	Jeremy Horst	0.40
    18	P	Sam Lecure	0.40
    19	P	Jordan Smith	0.40
    20	P	E. Del Rosario	0.40
    21	P	Scott Carroll	0.40
    22	P	Jord Hotchkiss	0.40
    23	C	Yasmani Grandal	0.40
    24	C	Ryan Hanigan	0.55
    25	C	Devin Mesoraco	0.40
    26	C	Ramon Hernandez	3.25
    27	IF	Joey Votto	7.50
    28	IF	Bran Phillips	11.00
    29	IF	Scott Rolen	7.80
    30	IF	Paul Janish	0.50
    31	IF	Zach Cozart	0.40
    32	IF	Chris Valaika	0.40
    33	IF	Yonder Alonso	0.60
    34	IF	Kris Negron	0.40
    35	OF	Jay Bruce	2.50
    36	OF	Todd Frazier	0.40
    37	OF	Chris Heisey	0.45
    38	OF	Juan Francisco	0.40
    39	OF	Drew Stubbs	0.50
    40	OF	Jonny Gomes	1.75
    			
    			
    			
    Dead Money		Cabrera	1.00
    Dead Money		Harang	2.00
    			        83.35
    Last edited by mth123; 08-28-2010 at 06:35 AM.
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    Re: 2011 40-man?

    This is all speculation on my part. I've been keeping track of this sort of thing on the minor league forum for the past few months.

    Staying on the 40-man roster (31):
    Jose Arredondo
    Bronson Arroyo
    Homer Bailey
    Bill Bray
    Aroldis Chapman
    Francisco Cordero
    Johnny Cueto
    Enerio Del Rosario
    Carlos Fisher
    Daniel Ray Herrera
    Mike Leake
    Sam LeCure
    Matt Maloney
    Nick Masset
    Logan Ondrusek
    Jordan Smith
    Phil Valiquette
    Edinson Volquez
    Travis Wood

    Yasmani Grandal
    Ryan Hanigan
    Yonder Alonso
    Juan Francisco
    Paul Janish
    Brandon Phillips
    Scott Rolen
    Chris Valaika
    Joey Votto
    Jay Bruce
    Chris Heisey
    Drew Stubbs

    Jared Burton - may be non-tendered
    Aaron Harang - will leave as free agent
    Mike Lincoln - will leave as free agent
    Arthur Rhodes - will leave as free agent
    Russ Springer - will leave as free agent
    Ramon Hernandez - will leave as free agent
    Orlando Cabrera - will have option declined
    Miguel Cairo - will leave as free agent
    Jim Edmonds - will retire
    Jonny Gomes - will have option declined
    Laynce Nix - may be non-tendered

    Will be added to the 40-man roster (4):
    Jeremy Horst
    Devin Mesoraco
    Zack Cozart
    Todd Frazier

    Up to five of these players may be extended or added to the 40-man roster:
    Dallas Buck
    Scott Carroll
    Jerry Gil
    Jordan Hotchkiss
    Jeff Jeffords
    Ben Jukich
    Joe Krebs
    Arthur Rhodes
    Lee Taor
    Daryl Thompson
    Wilkin Castillo
    Ramon Hernandez
    Orlando Cabrera
    Miguel Cairo
    Jake Kahaulelio
    Kris Negron
    Miguel Rojas
    Wladimir Balentien
    Danny Dorn
    Jonny Gomes
    Laynce Nix

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    Re: 2011 40-man?

    What areas will be a need?

    Backup SS
    LFer if Heisey isn't the answer
    Catcher
    Leadoff
    Bench
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    Re: 2011 40-man?

    Thanks, Cam, for the chart and work you've done. To make a little start, my guess is we will see back either Nix or Edmonds and we will not see back one of Gomes or Wlad. So I'd guess we need to add a net 2 to the 31 to start with.

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    Re: 2011 40-man?

    I'd pickup Ramon's option for 2011. I'd go to camp with he and Hanigan again. When Meroraco shows he's ready, I'd say that someone will be in the market for a veteran catcher - especially coming off a year like Ramon has had. He should bring a decent return either in ST or at the trade deadline.

    I think that Jocketty brings back both OCab and Cairo, but personally, I'd be happy to go with Phillips, Valaika, Janish and Cozart as the middle infielders, especially with the possability that either Francisco or Frazier (or both) will be around to cover the 1B/3B reserve role.

    I'd bring back Rhodes also, unless they are thinking of Chapman as a reliever to start the season. Like Hernandez, I think Arthur could bring a return at the deadline if someone like Joseph or Valiquette showed they were ready for the 7th/8th inning LH role.
    Last edited by corkedbat; 08-29-2010 at 04:21 PM.

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    Re: 2011 40-man?

    I don't know how, but somehow I omitted Matt Klinker, who will surely be added to the 40-man roster. That means up to four of the following players will be extended, have an option picked up, offered arbitration, or added to the roster:

    *Dallas Buck - has a horrible injury history
    @Jared Burton - was starting to return to form before getting injured; will most likely be non-tendered
    *Scott Carroll - has done well against younger competition despite inability to miss bats
    #Jerry Gil - converted shortstop issues more walks than strikeouts but has nasty stuff
    *Jordan Hotchkiss - has really flown under the radar but consistently gets good results
    *Jeff Jeffords - power arm will soon be 26 and has pitched only one game above high-A
    *Ben Jukich - nice curveball and nothing else; was taken in last year's rule five draft but returned
    *Joe Krebs - lefty with great numbers but lacks velocity on fastball
    #Arthur Rhodes - how much longer can he last?
    *Lee Tabor - lefty reliever with decent numbers but no skills that stand out
    #Daryl Thompson - has pitched well but not often; shoulder problems flared up and had trouble dealing with heat
    #Wilkin Castillo - can play any position, but his bat doesn't justify using him anywhere except catcher, where he's less than great
    #Ramon Hernandez - how much of a raise will he get?
    @Corky Miller - will be non-tendered, but will he be retained?
    %Orlando Cabrera - his numbers don't justify picking up the option, but do his intangibles?
    #Miguel Cairo - having a career year, but is it worth rewarding?
    *Jake Kahaulelio - may have a future as a utilityman
    *Kris Negron - good on-base skills and speed from a shortstop, but most scouts aren't all that impressed
    *Miguel Rojas - superb defense, but doesn't have near the bat to match
    #Wladimir Balentien - has really come on lately; probably deserves a spot on a Major League roster
    *Danny Dorn - excellent AAA numbers, but his defense limits him
    %Jonny Gomes - possibly the Reds' worst position player
    @Laynce Nix - having a career year, but he may not be worth the raise in arbitration

    * - eligible for the rule five draft
    # - free agent
    @ - eligible for arbitration
    % - club option
    Last edited by camisadelgolf; 08-30-2010 at 01:06 AM.


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