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    Organizational Depth

    A turnaround like the one the Reds are having this season, is the result of many factors. A big one has to be the addition of Scott Rolen. But I think that the biggest one has been the depth of talent that this organization has displayed.

    Adversity happens to all teams, more so to one team than another, but it is something that all teams have to deal with. Most of the time, Championship teams are the ones that deal with adversity the best. The Reds certainly fit that bill this season.

    The starting rotation has seen injuries from Harang, Bailey, and now Leake, and they have filled those holes with Wood, LeCure, Maloney and Volquez. All four have been effective, with Wood being very good.

    The bullpen has seen injuries and/or ineffectiveness from Lincoln, Herrera, Owings, and at times, Masset, and Cordero. Ondrusek, Smith, Bray, and even Fisher and Del Rosario have done a solid, if not great job of filling in.

    When Votto and Rolen needed time off, Cairo stepped in and was surprisingly heroic. When Gomes and Stubbs started to falter, Heisey filled in well. When Cabrera was hurt, Janish has actually been better. And now, Valaika has done an outstanding job filling in for Phillips.

    That is a remarkable amount of depth to get from one's organization is one season.

    Last season, the Reds had Rosales, Sutton, McDonald, Kip Wells and Justin Lehr to fill in when players got hurt. Enough said.

    I think thatís the biggest difference between this yearís Reds and last yearís Reds, and Jocketty needs to be congratulated for stockpiling the teamís talent instead of trading it away in mid season trades the last few years to hopelessly chase a playoff birth.

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    Re: Organizational Depth

    Yes.

    O'Brien and Krivsky get to share in this season. They are as much, if not more, responsible for it as anyone.

    Most importantly, Castellini gets the credit for working with all three G. M.'s.

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    Re: Organizational Depth

    The draft has been really good to the Reds. You have to go back to 2003 to actually find a bust in the first round. I don't know how Grandal will work out, but Leake, Alonso, Mesoraco, Stubbs, Bruce, and Bailey all have major league potential or have actually made contributions on the major league level. First round picks have a success rate (success of creating 2 WAR in their first 6 mlb years, which is really low) of around 50%. I have no doubt that those players will exceed that (with only Grandal the question mark, and Bailey really needs 1 good year in the next 3). That is a 100% rate. Simply incredible, especially considering you have to go back to Kearns to find anyone close, then Dan Wilson, and then all the way back to Larkin to find another one (Jack Armstrong also barely qualifies the 2 WAR in 6 year requirement). Add in Votto and Wood as a second round players and Valaika in the third, and the Reds have done an incredible job at the top end of the draft.

    Add in the international scouting like Cueto, Chapman, Francisco, and young guys like Duran and Rodriguez (huge unknowns). All that leads to a team with lots of depth.
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    Re: Organizational Depth

    The story of how this team's 40-man roster was constructed is very interesting.

    Drafted and developed:
    Votto
    Janish
    Hanigan
    Francisco
    Valaika
    Stubbs
    Bruce
    Heisey
    Dickerson - trade that netted Jim Edmonds
    Wood
    Bailey
    Cueto
    Leake
    Lecure
    Ondrusek
    Jordan Smith
    Del Rosario
    Fisher
    Maloney?
    Corky Miller - signed originally as a non-drafted free agent out of college; developed by the Reds. Has spent time with other clubs, but has spent most of his time with the Reds. Not on 40-man.
    Edwin Encarnacion - trade that netted Scott Rolen
    Jeff Stevens - trade that netted Brandon Phillips
    Willy Mo Pena - trade that netted Bronson Arroyo
    Austin Kearns - trade that netted Billy Bray
    (I can't remember who we traded for Harang)
    Adam Dunn - trade that netted Owings and Herrera?
    Philip Valiquette - on 40 man but yet to see major league action
    Ryan Freel (not sure if we developed him or not) - trade that netted Ramon Hernandez
    Yasmani Grandal - 2010 #1 draft pick
    Yonder Alonso - 2009 #1 draft pick
    Devin Mesoraco - 2008 #1 draft pick

    Signings:
    Arthur Rhodes
    Jose Arrendondo - TJ surgery reclamation project; could pan out; was awesome before surgery
    Josh Hamilton - trade that netted Edison Volquez
    Ken Griffey Junior - trade that netted Nick Masset (what a steal)
    Jared Burton - rule VI draft
    Aroldis Chapman
    Cordero
    Mike Lincoln
    Orlando Cabrera
    Miguel Cairo
    Jonny Gomes
    Laynce Nix

    Not all are on 40-man roster, but in the wings:
    Devin Mesoraco - I shouldn't have listed him above
    Danny Dorn
    Dave Sappelt
    Todd Frazier
    Wladimir Balentien
    Zach Cozart
    Chad Reineke
    Donnie Joseph
    Jordan Hotchkiss
    Ryan Lamarre
    Neftali Soto
    Cody Puckett
    Abel De Los Santos
    Eliezer Beard
    Jose Guzman
    Ronald Torreyes
    Alejandro Chacin
    Orlando Chiquin
    Dominic D'Anna
    El'Hajj Muhammad
    Ismael Guillon
    Yorman Rodriguez
    Juan Duran
    Billy Hamilton (42 SB)
    Henry Rodriguez
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    Re: Organizational Depth

    I truly think Krivsky helped to jump start the organization but Jocketty took it to another level. I think Bowden had to have been one of the worse to get so many years.

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    Re: Organizational Depth

    (I can't remember who we traded for Harang)

    Jose Guillen.
    What if this is as good as it gets?

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    Re: Organizational Depth

    Vottomatic,

    just to pick some nits....Corky is back on the 40 man.

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    Re: Organizational Depth

    Quote Originally Posted by scott91575 View Post
    Vottomatic,

    just to pick some nits....Corky is back on the 40 man.
    He had to be so they could bring him up now.
    "I can't take this homerism anymore." - 10xWSChamps, August 11, 2010. A Cardinals fan having a problem with all the homerism on Redszone. Classic.

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    Re: Organizational Depth

    The organizational depth is outstanding. Let's not forget to give some credit to Chris Buckley and Terry Reynolds, who have been instrumental in the drafting and development of this wealth of talent.


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