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    NY Times on Jocketty

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/03/sp...r=2&ref=sports

    He mentions Billy Martin as an early mentor. I remember when I was a kid meeting Martin after a spring training game in Tucson. My brother and I were waiting in the parking lot, totally alone as it was well after the game, with two broken bats given to us during the day (We'd go for the whole DAY, watch morning workouts etc. Got a lot of balls, bats, etc. and to meet and talk to Bob Feller.) We ran over and asked "Mr. Martin" to sign them as he was walking to his car. He couldn't have been nicer. He mussed our hair, signed the bats, and drove off. He seemed like a lonely guy. He made our day though.
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    Re: NY Times on Jocketty

    Good article. I'm glad the times recognized that while Jocketty has done well, he came in to a good situation, one better than many realized.
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    Re: NY Times on Jocketty

    while Jocketty has done well, he came in to a good situation, one better than many realized.
    No one deserves more credit for the team's rise to prominence than the guy who has put the roster together.
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    Re: NY Times on Jocketty

    Quote Originally Posted by traderumor View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick View Post
    Good article. I'm glad the times recognized that while Jocketty has done well, he came in to a good situation, one better than many realized.
    If you could go back in time knowing what you now know Rick, would you hire Walt in 2008? Would you get rid of him today if you could? Just asking cause giving Walt credit for his moves seems hard to get from you . I'm not looking to start some trouble, I'd just like for you to lay out your assessment of Walt.

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    I thought Walt was in his 60's, shows what I know.
    "Since I've been with the Reds in 1989, we've never had a farm system this loaded," Bowden said. "If we were the New York Yankees and had unlimited dollars, we could have traded for Colon, (Jeff) Weaver, Rolen, (Cliff) Floyd, (Kenny) Rogers and Finley and gotten them all -- and still held onto our top five prospects. That's an amazing statement."

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    Re: NY Times on Jocketty

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Servo View Post
    I thought Walt was in his 60's, shows what I know.
    Same here.

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    Re: NY Times on Jocketty

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick View Post
    Good article. I'm glad the times recognized that while Jocketty has done well, he came in to a good situation, one better than many realized.
    I'd use the word "realized" in a different way for Jocketty in that he caused something to happen. Potential can be a heavy burden and the Reds have had potential before and nothing came of it. WJ made it actually happen.

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    Re: NY Times on Jocketty

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Servo View Post
    I thought Walt was in his 60's, shows what I know.
    Even worse, I thought he was closer to 70 than 60 for whatever reason and the thought of him running the show the next 10 years were out of the question. Knowing he's only 59, looks like he's in good health (as far as one can tell from seeing him on TV), he could easily put in another 10 seasons if he wanted.

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    I think what makes Jock look aged is his lack of hair, and the fact that what hair he does have is snow white. He doesn't look that old in the face, though.
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    Re: NY Times on Jocketty

    Quote Originally Posted by medford View Post
    Even worse, I thought he was closer to 70 than 60 for whatever reason and the thought of him running the show the next 10 years were out of the question. Knowing he's only 59, looks like he's in good health (as far as one can tell from seeing him on TV), he could easily put in another 10 seasons if he wanted.
    If not he could always turn it over to Bavasi, heard he does wonders with moving Minor League talent...
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    Re: NY Times on Jocketty

    Quote Originally Posted by The Operator View Post
    I think what makes Jock look aged is his lack of hair, and the fact that what hair he does have is snow white. He doesn't look that old in the face, though.
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    Re: NY Times on Jocketty

    I realize it may have never meshed well, but remember, Jocketty was hired on before Krivsky ever left. I wonder if Krivsky and Jocketety had worked together what could have been. I realize ego may not have allowed on that, but that could've been special.

    I am surprised Krivsky hasn't gotten another chance to be a GM. Hopefully he will be.


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