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    Ranking by Position Group: Starting Pitchers

    You probably won't want to go 44-deep, like I did. And it's not at all necessary, since the objective here is to establish some reference points for the Top 40 that will be upcoming. So list as many or few as you choose. I just thought that it wouldn't hurt to get all (or at least, most) of the names out there, so you can make your own judgments.

    The ages are according to the current listings (for 2010) on baseballreference.com

    1. Aroldis Chapman, 22, LH
    2. Jacob Johnson, 19, RH
    3. Ismael Guillon, 18, LH
    4. Jonathan Correa, 19, RH
    5. Matt Maloney, 26, LH
    6. Jordan Hotchkiss, 24, RH
    7. Kyle Lotzkar, 20, RH
    8. Sam LeCure, 26, RH
    9. Ben Jukich, 27, LH
    10. Daryl Thompson, 24, RH
    11. Drew Cisco, 18, RH
    12. Daniel Corcino, 19, RH
    13. Matt Fairel, 22, LH
    14. (John) Wes Mugarian, 18, RH
    15. Daniel Tuttle, 19, RH
    16. Luis Gonzalez, 17, LH
    17. Matt Klinker, 25, RH
    18. Josh Ravin, 22, RH
    19. Tanner Robles, 21, LH
    20. Scott Carroll, 25, RH
    21. Abel De Los Santos, 18, RH
    22. James Avery, 26, RH
    23. Brad Boxberger, 22, RH
    24. J.C. Sulbaran, 20, RH
    25. Pedro Villarreal, 22, RH
    26. Radhames Quezada, 19, RH
    27. Mitchell Clarke, 19, LH
    28. Elizier Beard, 19, RH
    29. Jose Guzman, 18, RH
    30. Wandy Peralta, 18, LH
    31. Mark Serrano, 24, RH
    32. Evan Hildenbrandt, 21, RH
    33. Stalin Gerson, 21, RH
    34. Clayton Shunick, 23, LH
    35. Dallas Buck, 25, RH
    36. Tom Cochran, 27, LH
    37. Chad Reineke, 28, LH
    38. Justin Walker, 23, LH
    39. Oswaldo Mieres, 18, RH
    40. Travis Webb, 25, LH
    41. Curtis Partch, 23, RH
    42. Tim Crabbe, 22, RH
    43. Cesar Caceres, 21, RH
    44. Jesus Adames, 19, RH

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    Re: Ranking by Position Group: Starting Pitchers

    Nice list. i wouldn't quibble too much, but I don't think I'd have Thompson in the top 10. If he has any place in the organization after this season I'd say it's in relief. I'd say he's pitching for someone else next season.

    I Like Lotzkar a lot, but I'd like to see a full healthy season from him too. Klinker didn't have the best of seasons, but I'd still have him in the top 10. I'd have Mugarian, Robles and probably Carroll higher too, but I don't see many differences.

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    Re: Ranking by Position Group: Starting Pitchers

    Boxberger in the 20s?

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    Who is Jacob Johnson? never heard or seen much about him.

    Also going to have to echo doug and ask why you have box in the 20s? He was more than solid this year when he started and has tools.
    "When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail"

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    Quote Originally Posted by bubbachunk View Post
    Who is Jacob Johnson? never heard or seen much about him.

    Also going to have to echo doug and ask why you have box in the 20s? He was more than solid this year when he started and has tools.
    Johnson was 19 this season and pitched all year in Dayton. He has solid stuff. 11th rounder last year out of HS.

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    Dayton 	4.47	129	134	8	42	82	15	569	1.36	52%

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    Re: Ranking by Position Group: Starting Pitchers

    Are there any reports stuff wise from this year or perhaps scouting reports from when he came out of highschool?
    "When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail"

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    Re: Ranking by Position Group: Starting Pitchers

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbachunk View Post
    Are there any reports stuff wise from this year or perhaps scouting reports from when he came out of highschool?
    87-90 (touches 91), tons of grounders, slider/curve/change.

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    Re: Ranking by Position Group: Starting Pitchers

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    Boxberger in the 20s?
    Just not a big Boxberger fan. I know I'm in the minority there, but he strikes me as one of those guys who doesn't capitalize on his stuff, for whatever reason. Even when he was starting this year and doing OK, I wasn't as impressed as most seemed to be.

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    Re: Ranking by Position Group: Starting Pitchers

    Quote Originally Posted by corkedbat View Post
    Nice list. i wouldn't quibble too much, but I don't think I'd have Thompson in the top 10. If he has any place in the organization after this season I'd say it's in relief. I'd say he's pitching for someone else next season.
    I, too, would prefer to see Thompson in the bullpen; but the fact is, he's not there. As for his ranking, I still have a hard time getting past the fact that, in his first big-league start at the age of 22, he threw five shutout innings in Yankee Stadium. We know he can do it. The question, as we also know, is whether he can get/stay healthy.

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    Re: Ranking by Position Group: Starting Pitchers

    Its so hard to rank any pitcher who isnt at least in double A IMO. These guys are pitching in such short sample sizes against unproven talent in the lower minors. Its hard to know what you really have until then.

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    Re: Ranking by Position Group: Starting Pitchers

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbachunk View Post
    Who is Jacob Johnson? never heard or seen much about him.

    Also going to have to echo doug and ask why you have box in the 20s? He was more than solid this year when he started and has tools.
    bubba -- My rationale on Johnson was that the Reds clearly dubbed him this year as the top of the class that includes Tuttle and Tyler Cline. He was the one who was skipped ahead to Dayton. He remained in the rotation all year, and while he didn't distinguish himself, he was competitive. The Reds seem to love his coachability, intelligence and makeup. He also has a nice, big frame.

    (As for not having heard of him . . . It could be because, in initial reports, he was listed as Harold Johnson. But he apparently goes by Jacob.)

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    Re: Ranking by Position Group: Starting Pitchers

    Donnie Joseph? edit: Sorry, I didn't realize it was starting pitchers.
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