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    oooooooo ok

    Dang, and I thought I had the Rule V draft down pat, guess not lol

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    Re: 2011 40-Man Roster Construction

    Quote Originally Posted by Brutus the Pimp View Post
    Arredondo is already on the 40-man. Mesoraco isn't Rule 5 eligible, so he can wait.
    Arredodno is on the 60 day DL. Still need to make a spot. Not sure on Mes. It would help if you are right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mth123 View Post
    Arredodno is on the 60 day DL. Still need to make a spot. Not sure on Mes. It would help if you are right.
    Well that's true. He's not counting against the 40 players, so yeah from that standpoint Arrendondo will need to have room cleared.

    As far as Mesoraco, I'm positive on him. Read the rule I posted above from the ML Rules. I had the application of the rule confirmed by someone in baseball for a story I'm going to be writing on roster protection for Biz of Baseball. So the Reds will be able to hold off on him until later next season whenever they decide to call him up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brutus the Pimp View Post
    Well that's true. He's not counting against the 40 players, so yeah from that standpoint Arrendondo will need to have room cleared.

    As far as Mesoraco, I'm positive on him. Read the rule I posted above from the ML Rules. I had the application of the rule confirmed by someone in baseball for a story I'm going to be writing on roster protection for Biz of Baseball. So the Reds will be able to hold off on him until later next season whenever they decide to call him up.
    OK. I'm in agreement on Mes.

    1. He was 18 on June 5th of the year he signed so he is exempt for 4 drafts and eligible on the 5th one.

    2. Rule 5 drafts have occurred in December of 2007, 2008, and 2009 since he signed. That is only 3 so he is protected from December of 2010 and doesn't need to be on the 40 man until November of 2011.

    Good find Brutus. That frees a spot that I hadn't been counting on in my personal projections. I'd give it to Wlad but since James Avery is going to the AFL, I'm wondering if the Reds aren't seriously thinking of giving it to him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mth123 View Post
    OK. I'm in agreement on Mes.

    1. He was 18 on June 5th of the year he signed so he is exempt for 4 drafts and eligible on the 5th one.

    2. Rule 5 drafts have occurred in December of 2007, 2008, and 2009 since he signed. That is only 3 so he is protected from December of 2010 and doesn't need to be on the 40 man until November of 2011.

    Good find Brutus. That frees a spot that I hadn't been counting on in my personal projections. I'd give it to Wlad but since James Avery is going to the AFL, I'm wondering if the Reds aren't seriously thinking of giving it to him.
    No problem! I think it's good news to a lot of people, because it was widely assumed he would have to be added this offseason. I imagine we'll see him added and called-up sometime late next season, probably September.
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    Re: 2011 40-Man Roster Construction

    I don't think Avery is anything more than a warm body. No way will he be protected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaxRed View Post
    I don't think Avery is anything more than a warm body. No way will he be protected.
    I thought the same until the Reds sent him to the AFL. Why send him then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mth123 View Post
    I thought the same until the Reds sent him to the AFL. Why send him then?
    Get more innings in. He missed half of the year and half of last year with Tommy John Surgery.

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    Get more innings in. He missed half of the year and half of last year with Tommy John Surgery.
    The Reds have always liked him quite a bit. I wouldn't be shocked at all if he stuck to the 40 man this offseason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mth123 View Post
    I thought the same until the Reds sent him to the AFL. Why send him then?
    There could be a lot of reasons to send him to the AFL. I'm sure they want additional evaluation of him, additional seasoning. That could lead to adding him, but it also could be a matter of whether to protect him at AAA or AA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cinreds21 View Post
    Get more innings in. He missed half of the year and half of last year with Tommy John Surgery.
    He can get innings in Mexico or the Dominican. The Reds sent him (and everybody else who goes) to the AFL because they want to evaluate him against other highly regarded prospects. If innings were the only issue they wouldn't waste an AFL spot on him. They must think highly of him for him to go there. Could've used that spot on Hotchkiss, Grandal or somebody else who is a prospect if they didn't value Avery.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mth123 View Post
    He can get innings in Mexico or the Dominican. The Reds sent him (and everybody else who goes) to the AFL because they want to evaluate him against other highly regarded prospects. If innings were the only issue they wouldn't waste an AFL spot on him. They must think highly of him for him to go there. Could've used that spot on Hotchkiss, Grandal or somebody else who is a prospect if they didn't value Avery.
    Perhaps, but maybe they didn't want to send Hotchkiss because of his innings. This year he threw 129.2 between High and Double-A. That was the most innings he's ever thrown, blowing away last year when he only threw 85.2. They likely (not positive) didn't want him to get more work in innings wise and they needed to get Avery some innings. It's been done before with different teams so it's not unheard of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cinreds21 View Post
    Perhaps, but maybe they didn't want to send Hotchkiss because of his innings. This year he threw 129.2 between High and Double-A. That was the most innings he's ever thrown, blowing away last year when he only threw 85.2. They likely (not positive) didn't want him to get more work in innings wise and they needed to get Avery some innings. It's been done before with different teams so it's not unheard of.
    Agree about Hotchkiss innings. Still, AFL spots are too valuable just to get work in. There has to be more of a reason than that.
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    My list: Frazier, Cozey, Klinker, Carroll, and Horst


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