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On average, people with the highest IQ's buy Subarus [and the highest credit scores, and the most loyal, and the most anal-retentive (nothing personal, SunDeck...take it as a complement if it fits)], according to the auto demographics. There's a reason for this.
Last edited by Kingspoint; 09-26-2010 at 10:12 PM.
I know it's not what you want, but it does speak for Honda's. I have a 2006 Honda Accord Coup with 42,000 on it. And I haven't had one problem with it in 4 years. Nothing has needed to be fixed yet.
When you go to get your "new" car, the lowest price you can get, other than a loss-leader, is to use your "Costco" card, and get the "Costco price". It's $100 over invoice, usually, and it's not made up or anything. It's true invoice. The dealership doesn't make much money on it other than bonuses from Manufacturers, but they are still glad to move the inventory and hopefully win a customer. They will show you the invoice, you'll see the cost, there's no negotiating, and you'll get the best deal you can. It's pretty cut-and-dry. You can try to pay less, but they can also tell you to get out of their dealership (not likely to happen), but they'll politely tell you that they can't go any lower than the $100 over invoice, and 95% of the time, that's true, as they aren't making money on that deal. If they had some strange "numbers" they were trying to get on the last day of the month, then maybe, but it's not worth it to try to haggle over $100 that you're not likely to get.
Most companies work with this "Costco" program. Just call the dealership and ask them if they do "Costco" deals. Some could lie, but they will have a piece of paper from Costco that states specifically what the "Costco Deal" is, such as $250 over invoice for this model, or $100 over invoice for this model. Any reputable dealer will have no problem showing you that paper, too. They HAVE TO show you the invoice.
"Loss Leaders" though, can be "under" invoice, and usually are. Most dealerships will only have one or two of them, hide them in the back, and try to discourage you from buying them. Some dealerships will have several because they want to move some metal, and will have them on display.
What's so cool about cars, is that there's a type of vehicle that's "best" for everyone, depending on what's important to you. Most new cars today are made really well when you compare them to 10 years ago and 20 years ago and then 30 years ago.
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By the way, Caveat, we got the EX-L model. No navigation system as I felt it was a waste with my droid phone basically doing the same thing.
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If you want an Equinox, try looking for a GMC Terrain instead. One of the families on my son's soccer team just got one. I asked about it, because I knew how hard they were to come by. He said that the Terrain's are more available, dealerships are looking to just do volume right now, any volume. There are two sides to the car buying equation. If you are doing a trade, drive a harder bargain on your trade in. Clean it up inside and out, including the engine compartment.
BTW Honda dealerships typically start the better deals in October on "old inventory".
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I have a Mazda CX-7 with the technology package and a Bose sound system and I absolutely love it. It's a turbo so there's a little more risk, but I'm very careful with the upkeep and haven't had any issues.
I have a 2005 Ford Escape, bought it used back in '07 and have had nothing but a good experience with it, for whatever that's worth. Easy maintenance, no headaches so far. Getting up over 100k miles just lately so we'll see how it goes now but so far so good.
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2008+ Escape. The Subie would probably be nice as well. Just test drove a Patriot (we're car shopping as well) and did not like it - too low, too small and the back hatch opening is TINY.
I'm scheduled to test drive the Subaru and the Ford Escape sometime this weekend. I was on a Ford lot this past weekend, and I came away underwhelmed with the build-quality of the Escape. For one, it was the most cramped SUV I've sat in (a big issue for me, being so tall), and the layout felt extremely counter-intuitive. I'll reserve full judgment until I actually get the car out on the road, but as of right now it's at the bottom of my list.Originally Posted by Redsfaithful
I like Mazdas a lot, but getting the CX-7 w/ AWD bumps the price significantly out of my range. Great car, though.Originally Posted by Razor Shines
That's good to know -- one of the biggest "dislikes" I have about cars in general (not just the CRV) is the inability to mix and match various features across trim levels. I'd like to be able to get a car that has quality seating (leather, heating, power adjust, aforementioned lumbar adjust), but in most if not all cars, those kinds of things are only available when you move to the top of the line model. Of course, you get a boatload of other features you may or may not care about, and the price jumps accordingly as well.Originally Posted by Logan Buck
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Find some railroad tracks for your test drives and go over them. Find a way to do some off-road on your test drives.
One funny thing I found comparing domestic and imports used to be the placement of drink holders. Subaru was terrible at it ten years ago- mine for instance opens up so that the cup is in the way of the radio and climate controls. American cars had a leg up because their engineers understood that we need to have drinks with us all the time. Installing drink holders was a no-brainer for them, but for imports it was always an add on. That's all changed now, of course. I think the Honda Odyssey has 37 drink holders.
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