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    How do you explain Cliff Lee?

    I've been watching the game and following the game thread on ORG tonight (wish I could post there ... haha). Anyway ... Cliff Lee did it again tonight. The guy is unbeatable in the postseason. He's had two notable seasons in his career - two bigtime seasons - and been barely an average pitcher otherwise. His career regular season stats compare favorably to Denny "Ding Dong" Neagle. But once he gets to the playoffs, Cliff Lee is amazing. Barely hittable.

    Am I the only SunDecker impressed? Or watching?
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    Re: How do you explain Cliff Lee?

    He's been this impressive for the last three seasons. He really turned it around after being sent down to the minors in 07.

    He does it by throwing any pitch he wants for strikes at anytime. He walked 18 batters in the regular season this year. That less than how many homers most starters give up in a season. Beyond impressive.
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    Re: How do you explain Cliff Lee?

    Quote Originally Posted by 757690 View Post
    He's been this impressive for the last three seasons. He really turned it around after being sent down to the minors in 07.

    He does it by throwing any pitch he wants for strikes at anytime. He walked 18 batters in the regular season this year. That less than how many homers most starters give up in a season. Beyond impressive.
    I understand that, but the guy becomes another pitcher once the playoffs begin. You can see it in his face. If he takes the hill again this series, he'll win again. And if the Rangers reach the WS, Lee will probably win two more. The Hamliton/Lee combo looks unbeatable right now.
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    Re: How do you explain Cliff Lee?

    i thought i heard t wood is friends with him. hopefully he becomes him

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    Re: How do you explain Cliff Lee?

    Wood really reminds me of Lee. He doesn't have that awesome breaking ball yet but if there was one pitcher I'd compare him to it would be Lee. Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not saying he'll end up being Cy Young caliber like Lee, but that would be his absolute highest peak potential.

    In all probability he'll far somewhere a little short.

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    Re: How do you explain Cliff Lee?

    Make up and smarts define an Ace as much as stuff. So I actually could see Wood becoming an Ace at some point. Him and Leake. Maybe even more than Cueto, Bailey or Volquez.
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    Re: How do you explain Cliff Lee?

    As was said last night, it's like he has the ball on a string, and can put it where he pleases.

    Hope he doesn't end up in pinstripes.

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    Re: How do you explain Cliff Lee?

    Quote Originally Posted by 757690 View Post
    Make up and smarts define an Ace as much as stuff. So I actually could see Wood becoming an Ace at some point. Him and Leake. Maybe even more than Cueto, Bailey or Volquez.
    I agree with this. I'm not saying we have Greg Maddux and Tom Glavine growing up on our team or anything, but those Braves teams dominated with those two and neither had the traditional overpowering stuff.

    I'm not sold on Leake just yet...I dunno if he wore down, or if hitters figured him out. Probably a combination of both, but I do expect a very good year from Wood in 2011.

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    Re: How do you explain Cliff Lee?

    Quote Originally Posted by 757690 View Post
    Make up and smarts define an Ace as much as stuff. So I actually could see Wood becoming an Ace at some point. Him and Leake. Maybe even more than Cueto, Bailey or Volquez.
    I strongly agree with this, and thats why I dont think the last 3 will ever be a true ace, they may have the stuff on occasion, but dont have the mental makeup to harness it, esp when things get rough. Kinda of Zambrano-like, when they are on they are among the best, but once rattled they crumble.
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    Re: How do you explain Cliff Lee?

    if we could have only pulled a trade for this guy

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    Re: How do you explain Cliff Lee?

    Quote Originally Posted by arkimadee View Post
    if we could have only pulled a trade for this guy
    Well, it's not like the Reds didn't try. Maybe if they had drafted Smoak instead of Alonso back in 2008?
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    Re: How do you explain Cliff Lee?

    Quote Originally Posted by arkimadee View Post
    if we could have only pulled a trade for this guy
    Yeah he would have pitched game one VS a no hitter

    Volquez gets blowed up in game 2 instead on game 1 (so glad we trade that Josh guy away for him)

    Game 3 the Reds blow due to errors

    Reds still get swept

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    Re: How do you explain Cliff Lee?

    Quote Originally Posted by Krawhitham View Post
    Yeah he would have pitched game one VS a no hitter

    Volquez gets blowed up in game 2 instead on game 1 (so glad we trade that Josh guy away for him)

    Game 3 the Reds blow due to errors

    Reds still get swept
    Yes but having Lee may have won us a couple more regular season games and then we would have gotten Atlanta with home field advantage.

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    Re: How do you explain Cliff Lee?

    He has the Crisco ball, look at his hat. Not really, but whatever it is he is awesome. Fun to watch.


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