I think lowering the amount of votes(but still have the same percent needed to gain access to tORG) would be fine.
Just keep the voting thread open until there's enough votes
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I don't mean any disrespect towards Brutus or anyone else. I understand that some polls take longer than others. And I know some will say that for the privilige of becoming an ORG member they should be willing to wait while the esteemed members of the ORG decide their fate. But, how long is a reasonable amount of time for these people to have to wait for an answer? 2 months?!?
It's been a month since the last post in this thread. And not only have things not gotten any better but they might've gotten worse. Wow, that's progress.
I don't know what the answer is but I just know that it might actually be worthwhile to tweek the voting process.
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Here's an out-of-the-box idea for a fix. Maybe if there were some threads in that forum discussing something other than voting we'd be inclined to open it more often?
I guess those threads not discussing votes need to have universal appeal. How about a weekly prize thread where you have to post in the thread to be entered into the weekly drawing? That'd be a carrot that would get people into that forum more often than once a month.
Is it possible that a lack of participation for a potential member is a sign that their posting history hasn't generated enough enthusiasm to motivate votes one way or the other? There have been a number of discussion threads where the few actual comments were akin to "well nothing jumps out as a problem". The way the current system is set up, abstaining has meaning.
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What was the deal with the rep/negging setup that used to be here. If wanting current Zoners to participate is the goal...that is the way to go.
Its a 2 way street.
If you must vote someone in to the ORG...you aren't going to get that many current Zoners to help the process.
If you do the rep system, more participation is involved with the drawback of letting some dreck slide thru before they are negged to another galaxy.
I'm of the let them in until they show they don't belong camp myself, but it's not my message board.
I believe that the major reason for the delay is people simply forget to vote, or won't take the time to vote even if they remember because they don't really care. Not alot can be done about those who don't wanna vote so we need only concentrate on the former.
Keep it the way it is with one Caveat. Add a deadline for when the vote gets moved to the ORG (after 2 or 3 weeks). Add a sticky on the ORG when this happens allowing for the vote to continue. In order to keep it confidential you assign a number to each Votee when they are 1st put up for vote so if they have to be moved to the ORG for a vote the heading isn't their board name but their number only.
(On the Future board)
princeton (#1) is up for nomination
M2 (#2) is up for nomination
Screwball (#3) is up for nomination
*Sticky - #2 still needs X number of votes - vote here (refer to the future board for the name associated with this number)
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Simply put, should we continue with a voting system for induction when most of its members don't want to vote for whatever reason?
Moving forward, I think we'll set a cap on the voting length at a month. At that point, GIK and I will take the current voting results into account, along with a review of the candidate's posts, and make a final decision in the interests of reaching a conclusion. Thank you for everyone's input.
I care. I rarely vote though. To be honest, I just don't have the time to sift through pages of posts.
How do we know he's not Mel Torme?
I almost never vote. Probably because I almost never read the SunDeck. I don't know them, so I don't vote for them.
To be honest, I don't see the problem at all with how it is done now. I don't know all there is to know about baseball, but I find I am less interested in stats beyond OPS for hitters and WHIP for pitchers. For fielding, I use my eyes.
So what is a poster from the SunDeck going to tell me? just more noise as they quote the poster ahead of him/her agreeing/disagreeing. (Did it myself in the 2011 HOF thread). I'm not losing interest in RZ, but i want better conversation. I don't think new members necessarily lends to that. So the speed of new members entering, or lack thereof does not bother me a bit.
And why the rush to escape the SunDeck anyway? you get to a place where you can discuss this thing you love, you make friends, then you leave knowing most of them won't be joining you anytime soon. Yeah, there are some buffoons in there. ORG has a few too.
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