That's not a matter of opinion. You're absolutely right, Lopez is not funny, at all.Originally Posted by Spitball
That's not a matter of opinion. You're absolutely right, Lopez is not funny, at all.
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Hitters who avoid outs are the funnest.
Conan's mostly entertaining, but I'd never make time to watch his show or go out of my way to DVR and watch it.
I think, more than anything else, I'm sick of the format. Music, monologue, bit, guest, bit, guest, musical guest, credits. Wash, rinse, repeat. The celebrity guests are usually vapid, unfunny, and uninteresting and you can almost always get better bits on sketch comedy shows.
I have no doubt it'll be more of the same when Conan comes back.
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It was worked out to keep both hosts, Leno and O'Brien. Leno was to come on at 11:30 and O'Brien at 12:00. O'Brien said an emphatic no. He was not fired but left because he did not want the new time slot. He decided to leave and was paid nearly $40 million to do so. I just don't understand the O'Brien sympathy. Leno was failing but so was O'Brien. It was a business decision.
He made the decision to leave and was paid nearly $40 million to do so...and got a show on TBS. He was not screwed but parlayed his failure into a pretty good situation for himself. Let's forget the drama and see how he actually does now.
Last edited by Spitball; 11-05-2010 at 08:55 PM.
Leno was entitled to the full amount of his contract whether he had a show or not. That was in his contract. So NBC didn't really have much choice but to attempt to keep both guys.
Conan didn't make the decision to leave. That's twisting the reality. He said he would not agree to move time slots. It was NBC who then said they would not keep him since he wouldn't agree to switch. It may seem like semantics but it's not: Conan didn't quit, he just said he wouldn't change slots. NBC then negotiated his out.
He'll be fine. But that doesn't justify how unethical NBC was with the whole situation. I'm guessing if it were your career, you'd be pretty peeved about it. Can you put yourself in someone's shoes and think about what it would be like to wait 5 years for a specific position that was promised to you. You sign a contract being guaranteed that specific position, then after less than a year it's taken back from you? I cannot imagine you or anyone would be happy with that.
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I'm not twisting anything here. Read your own post here. You have twisted the reality. O'Brien's contract did not stipulate the time slot. It only stated that he could have the Tonight Show. In hindsight, it was a mistake by his agents. NBC made a decision based on failing ratings and O'Brien chose not to accept the change. He had the option to stay, but his ego prevailed. He left and his fans (not really O'Brien) played the "victim card." I know I'd have more sympathy if the whole Team Coco stupidity hadn't started.
The fact is he signed for the Tonight Show and not the time slot. Btw, virtually every employer moves people from positions when they don't bring expected returns. That is life.
Everyone thinks of the Tonight Show as being NBC at 11:30 after the local news. To move that back in favor of Jay Leno being on at 11:30 is a slap in the face to try and call that the Tonight Show. Come on now, that's silly.
It honestly sounds like your self-admitting dislike of Conan is clouding your judgment.
The employer, in this case, didn't make the decision based on expected returns. If that were the case, they would have just flat canned Conan. They made the decision because Leno was tanking so bad and didn't have anything else to do with him so they had to try and move Conan back. Conan got canned because he was the more expendable of the two.
Further, a good case could be made that Conan didn't get a chance to succeed. Not only was he not given a ton of time, but he was getting a crappy lead in from Leno's show. The lead in huge in television ratings.
The expected returns thing is a poor excuse. If this were about expected returns, NBC would have just fired Conan, given the Tonight Show to Jay Leno and wouldn't have given him the option of staying, albeit in a later time slot. The fact they didn't do that is because they weren't concerned by the ratings. That's just lip service to cover up what they knew (and you should know) was bad business to begin with.
"No matter how good you are, you're going to lose one-third of your games. No matter how bad you are you're going to win one-third of your games. It's the other third that makes the difference." ~Tommy Lasorda
Are any of the three funny?
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I would believe you on this, had Leno not pulled a worse stunt back in 1992 with Letterman. Leno has developed a solid reputation for screwing over friends to advance his career, so it's hard to give him the benefit of the doubt here. You are correct that at first, it was NBC's decision to cancel Leno's 10 PM show, but after that Leno had a strong offer from ABC, but turned it down because he wanted the Tonight Show back. Even if it wasn't his idea to replace Conan, it was a back stabbing act to accept it. Most hosts would have turned it down on principle. I know Johnny Carson, Jack Parr and Steve Allen would have.
Concerning ratings, Leno's Tonight Show ratings were bad for years until he booked Hugh Grant after Grant's "incident." And Leno's rating right now aren't much better than Conan's were, so if NBC did make this decision based on ratings, it looks like they were mistaken.
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YouTube - Conan OBrien - Most random Walker Texas Ranger moment ever
That made me laugh.
I like Conan, but never made a real point to watch/DVR. If he was on, I'd watch. I'm rarely up that late these days. I may DVR the new show for a bit to check it out.
I find Conan amusing at times, but Craig Kilborn was damn funny.
"I know a lot about the law and various other lawyerings."
Hitters who avoid outs are the funnest.
The show was decent. Pretty much your standard late night, talk show format.
Conan's monologue had a few vignettes, some of his usual self-deprecating humor, a few timely jabs at NBC and that was pretty much the extent of it. All in all, a decent show, though it was something of a disappointment relative to the promotion levied for the premiere.
"No matter how good you are, you're going to lose one-third of your games. No matter how bad you are you're going to win one-third of your games. It's the other third that makes the difference." ~Tommy Lasorda
His performance with Jack White stole the show, IMHO...
Good point. That was a pretty cool performance.
"No matter how good you are, you're going to lose one-third of your games. No matter how bad you are you're going to win one-third of your games. It's the other third that makes the difference." ~Tommy Lasorda
I loved the opening skit!
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