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    Quote Originally Posted by Brutus the Pimp View Post
    It's actually the most likely scenario. Since most of what has been alleged has turned out to be true, it's hard to ignore the other part of the allegations:

    that Cam told Mississippi State coaches he had to go to Auburn because "the money was too good to pass up."

    Considering the father has now partially admitted the story, it's a bigger leap to believe no money changed hands than to believe it didn't.
    Not really. He didn't go to MSU. Rogers was the guy asking for money and he doesn't have a foggy clue about Auburn's recruitment of Cam, a statement that is incredibly hard to ignore when begging the question that Auburn paid Cam (and a statement that is verified by the audit of all Auburn athletic phone calls during Cam's recruitment and the statement by Oklahoma that they were never approached for money either).

    Again, to be accurate, Rogers said that Cam allegedly called MSU recruiters-not MSU coaches. He clearly considers Bond part of the recruitment effort which MSU would never concede as factual. This allegation is going to be impossible to verify and it's kind of silly to treat it as fact.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jojo View Post
    Not really. He didn't go to MSU. Rogers was the guy asking for money and he doesn't have a foggy clue about Auburn's recruitment of Cam, a statement that is incredibly hard to ignore when begging the question that Auburn paid Cam (and a statement that is verified by the audit of all Auburn athletic phone calls during Cam's recruitment and the statement by Oklahoma that they were never approached for money either).

    Again, to be accurate, Rogers said that Cam allegedly called MSU recruiters-not MSU coaches. He clearly considers Bond part of the recruitment effort which MSU would never concede as factual. This allegation is going to be impossible to verify and it's kind of silly to treat it as fact.
    First of all, no distinction has been made that "recruiters" weren't part of the Mississippi State staff.

    Second, it's splitting hairs to worry about who it was said to. At this point, everything (to this point) that has been alleged has not been disproven. There is clearly a lot of validity to this story, so it doesn't matter who Cam made the comments to, the fact they are part of what is a credible story should be alarming to anyone that is objective.

    People with their hand out don't suddenly just drop the issue after being rebuffed by one team. I think it's naive to think because they didn't get money from Mississippi State that suddenly Cecil Newton dropped the issue altogether.
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    First of all, no distinction has been made that "recruiters" weren't part of the Mississippi State staff.

    Second, it's splitting hairs to worry about who it was said to. At this point, everything (to this point) that has been alleged has not been disproven. There is clearly a lot of validity to this story, so it doesn't matter who Cam made the comments to, the fact they are part of what is a credible story should be alarming to anyone that is objective.

    People with their hand out don't suddenly just drop the issue after being rebuffed by one team. I think it's naive to think because they didn't get money from Mississippi State that suddenly Cecil Newton dropped the issue altogether.
    It matters whether he made the statement that you're using to argue is proof that Auburn paid him.

    The facts as we know them don't allow you to make that assertion.

    It's far fetched to argue that since Rogers approached Cecil, Cecil then sought out individuals with whom he had no prior relationship with at other schools to ask for money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jojo View Post
    It matters whether he made the statement that you're using to argue is proof that Auburn paid him.

    The facts as we know them don't allow you to make that assertion.

    It's far fetched to argue that since Rogers approached Cecil, Cecil then sought out individuals with whom he had no prior relationship with at other schools to ask for money.
    Your comments don't address the point Brutus made about Cam going to Auburn because of the money. I think that's the comment they're looking into

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    Your comments don't address the point Brutus made about Cam going to Auburn because of the money. I think that's the comment they're looking into
    It's the exact statement that has been addressed-a couple of times in this thread.
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    Ahhhh. Now we're getting somewhere...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sea Ray View Post
    Ahhhh. Now we're getting somewhere...
    Assuming the TMZ source isn't made up, it now make sense why the FBI cares. They're fishing for a way to get Milton McGregor.
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    That was the logical next step in progression of this story. It just doesn't make sense someone with their hand out quit after one attempt. That's not how these things work in recruiting.

    More details coming out on the Mississippi St. side of the ledger:

    http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/s...r_espn_5818428

    Seems like Mississippi St. did a darn good job distancing themselves from this one. Who knows if they were going to pay up and simply lost out or if they truly wanted to stay out of that. But either way, they're sure bringing the heat as far as covering their rears.
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    Wow.

    I still haven't gotten through all of this, but someone has done one heck of a job on an SEC message board compiling leads on this whole fiasco...

    Tigerdroppings.com: case against Auburn
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    Re: Cam Newton or his handler wanted money?

    Quote Originally Posted by Brutus the Pimp View Post
    That was the logical next step in progression of this story. It just doesn't make sense someone with their hand out quit after one attempt. That's not how these things work in recruiting.

    More details coming out on the Mississippi St. side of the ledger:

    http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/s...r_espn_5818428

    Seems like Mississippi St. did a darn good job distancing themselves from this one. Who knows if they were going to pay up and simply lost out or if they truly wanted to stay out of that. But either way, they're sure bringing the heat as far as covering their rears.
    MSU is cauterizing their wounds. Today basically doesn't add anything that changes the situation other then to add a few details that further implicate Rogers. The TMZ story does zilch to implicate Auburn in any wrong doing. It can't even verify a tangible connection between MM and Cecil. More and more everything rests on Rogers' word.

    The NCAA is poised to close the book on this circus possibly as early as Friday but probably no later than the Bama game unless the verifiable facts as we know them dramatically change.
    "This isnít stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner

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    Re: Cam Newton or his handler wanted money?

    Quote Originally Posted by Brutus the Pimp View Post
    Wow.

    I still haven't gotten through all of this, but someone has done one heck of a job on an SEC message board compiling leads on this whole fiasco...

    Tigerdroppings.com: case against Auburn
    Absolutely hilarious the denial and spin coming from Auburn fans. Did you guys realize that Cecil Newton is the whistle blower here? He actually turned in MSU and said his son "wouldn't be a rented mule".

    What a great guy he is! I almost spit my drink laughing so hard at that one.
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    jojo, are you seriously saying you think this thing is just going to go away?
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    Re: Cam Newton or his handler wanted money?

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    jojo, are you seriously saying you think this thing is just going to go away?
    Its going to go away in the sense that the NCAA is going to make ruling and end it.

    I don't know what the NCAA will do because one has to assume that they know more than we know but right now Auburn is sitting where they want to be considering the story. I think they feel like this is not going to end in the explosion that many seem to expect.

    We'll see.
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    Re: Cam Newton or his handler wanted money?

    Quote Originally Posted by Brutus the Pimp View Post
    Wow.

    I still haven't gotten through all of this, but someone has done one heck of a job on an SEC message board compiling leads on this whole fiasco...

    Tigerdroppings.com: case against Auburn
    Unfortunately there is an awful lot of axe grinding editorialization and innuendo masquerading as established fact in LSU fan's version of the truth.

    May favorite "fact":

    Lowder and AU continue search, which ultimately leads to the hiring of Chizik, a former Sexton client which with a 5-19 record would knowingly jump at any opportunity to enhance his resume. Chizik also was familiar with Lowder, Dye, and Co., as he previously acted as DC under Tubs, making him a perfect "puppet" for Lowder and crew to manipulate. Chizik's Recruiting Coordinator is TTaylor
    Well actually the part where bluetunatiger equated Auburn to Adolf Hitler and Nazi Germany is probably all but impossible to top.
    "This isnít stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner


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