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    Early 2011 CBS/Sportsline Power Rankings....REDS #7

    Question: Has winning baseball returned to stay in Cincinnati, or will Dusty Baker revert to his old arm-shredding, OBP-ignorant self?

    Strengths: They go seven deep in the rotation. Maybe the Reds trade from this happy (and affordable) excess to fill an organizational hole, like the one behind the plate.

    Needs: One long-term contract for Joey Votto before the first-base market goes kablooey (see under: upcoming deals for Pujols, Gonzalez and Fielder); two reliable relievers (Brian Fuentes?); three everyday-player-type players, with "Help Wanted" signs currently posted at shortstop and in left field and an age- or injury-related vacancy looming at third base.

    Odds of 2011 glory: Only two of the six NL Central teams currently exist in a state of something other than serene befuddlement, and the Reds are one of them. Gotta like those odds.

    http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/story/1...until-february

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    Re: Early 2011 CBS/Sportsline Power Rankings....REDS #7

    HAHAHA, this is the best line from that article:

    "Only two of the six NL Central teams currently exist in a state of something other than serene befuddlement, and the Reds are one of them. Gotta like those odds."

    I kind of feel bad for the Pirates with this sort of expectation:

    "Question: Why haven't atheist groups targeted PNC Park for their recruiting pushes? Strengths: Post-game fireworks; low expectations. Needs: Everything, but mostly pitching and hope. Odds of 2011 glory: Come on now."
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    Re: Early 2011 CBS/Sportsline Power Rankings....REDS #7

    Though I kind of question him putting the Giants in that 1st position. The Giants had a great team this year but a lot of their guys were reclamation projects and cast offs from other teams. I don't know if they will have the same success with that cast of characters like the Rangers or even the stacked Yankees will have.

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    Re: Early 2011 CBS/Sportsline Power Rankings....REDS #7

    Great to see the Reds getting respect.

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    "organizational hole, like the one behind the plate."

    yeah, ok. i guess this guy missed the reds had one of the best producing catching tandems in baseball last year and have 2 first round picks that will be in AA and AAA next year.

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    Re: Early 2011 CBS/Sportsline Power Rankings....REDS #7

    Quote Originally Posted by davereds24 View Post
    "organizational hole, like the one behind the plate."

    yeah, ok. i guess this guy missed the reds had one of the best producing catching tandems in baseball last year and have 2 first round picks that will be in AA and AAA next year.
    Yeah when I saw that I did a double take.

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    Re: Early 2011 CBS/Sportsline Power Rankings....REDS #7

    Quote Originally Posted by davereds24 View Post
    "organizational hole, like the one behind the plate."

    yeah, ok. i guess this guy missed the reds had one of the best producing catching tandems in baseball last year and have 2 first round picks that will be in AA and AAA next year.
    The guy who did the hot stove predictions on SI.com had them as needing a catcher more than anything else and targeting (Get this!) Yorvit Torrealba. Do these guys do any research before they write?

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    Re: Early 2011 CBS/Sportsline Power Rankings....REDS #7

    Quote Originally Posted by davereds24 View Post
    "organizational hole, like the one behind the plate."

    yeah, ok. i guess this guy missed the reds had one of the best producing catching tandems in baseball last year and have 2 first round picks that will be in AA and AAA next year.
    He definitely missed that.

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    Re: Early 2011 CBS/Sportsline Power Rankings....REDS #7

    Quote Originally Posted by davereds24 View Post
    "organizational hole, like the one behind the plate."

    yeah, ok. i guess this guy missed the reds had one of the best producing catching tandems in baseball last year and have 2 first round picks that will be in AA and AAA next year.
    They were a good hitting tandem, but not the greatest defensive catchers-high ERA, low caught stealing %, etc. I assume they are talking about this from a defensive standpoint, where they are only around average I would say. I would love to have an upgrade of one catcher who is a defensive specialiast (Corky is actually the best catcher of the 3 IMO), so I dont see his view as that far off in that sense.
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    Re: Early 2011 CBS/Sportsline Power Rankings....REDS #7

    Do you think that when he is talking about organizational hole, he is talking about defense? Ramon Hernandez only threw out 34% of runners. Ryan Hanigan only threw out 32%. I agree that they probably got the most offensive production from the Catcher position than any other team in baseball but the defense leaves a bit to be desired.

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    Re: Early 2011 CBS/Sportsline Power Rankings....REDS #7

    Quote Originally Posted by MikeThierry View Post
    Do you think that when he is talking about organizational hole, he is talking about defense? Ramon Hernandez only threw out 34% of runners. Ryan Hanigan only threw out 32%. I agree that they probably got the most offensive production from the Catcher position than any other team in baseball but the defense leaves a bit to be desired.
    That could be. Neither RED got a single vote for Gold Glove @ Catcher, while about 10 other Catchers received at least one vote.

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    Re: Early 2011 CBS/Sportsline Power Rankings....REDS #7

    I doubt either one started even half the games at catcher this season so that's understandable.

    Hanigan is a great defensive catcher, not sure why his runners thrown out percentage was down this year. Maybe due to half his games being with the slow throwing Arroyo but i didn't look into the details.

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    Re: Early 2011 CBS/Sportsline Power Rankings....REDS #7

    Quote Originally Posted by davereds24 View Post
    I doubt either one started even half the games at catcher this season so that's understandable.

    Hanigan is a great defensive catcher, not sure why his runners thrown out percentage was down this year. Maybe due to half his games being with the slow throwing Arroyo but i didn't look into the details.
    Arroyo was one of the 5 best Right-handed pitchers in baseball as far as not letting runners steal a base. Something like only 8 attempted, 2 were picked off and something else happened to another one.

    Arroyo's got one of the best moves of any Right-hander in the game.

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    Re: Early 2011 CBS/Sportsline Power Rankings....REDS #7

    Quote Originally Posted by Kingspoint View Post
    Arroyo was one of the 5 best Right-handed pitchers in baseball as far as not letting runners steal a base. Something like only 8 attempted, 2 were picked off and something else happened to another one.

    Arroyo's got one of the best moves of any Right-hander in the game.
    Yes, but that has nothing to do with Hanigan's stats. How many of the 8 were successful?

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    Re: Early 2011 CBS/Sportsline Power Rankings....REDS #7

    Quote Originally Posted by davereds24 View Post
    Yes, but that has nothing to do with Hanigan's stats. How many of the 8 were successful?
    Success rate against Arroyo (don't know which ones were Hanigan's).

    2010: 6 of 8
    2009: 12 of 18
    2008: 5 of 7
    2007: 3 of 9
    2006: 5 of 10
    2005: 4 of 7
    2004: 4 of 9


    In 295 career games, only 84 attempts have been made against Arroyo. So, only the best of the best ever try to steal a base on him. 50 of 84 success rate, or one Stolen Base every 6th start. If that's not the best, then it's in the Top-3 over the last 10 years for Right-Handed starting pitchers.


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