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    Reds Re-Sign Ramon Hernandez

    1 Year $3M.

    Seems too much to me, but it's not my money.

    I see a big drop off from last season for Razor Ramon, and not even needed once Meseraco arrives.

    Reds Re-Sign Ramon Hernadez
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    Re: Reds Re-Sign Ramon Hernandez

    Quote Originally Posted by 757690 View Post
    1 Year $3M.

    Seems too much to me, but it's not my money.

    I see a big drop off from last season for Razor Ramon, and not even needed once Meseraco arrives.

    Reds Re-Sign Ramon Hernadez
    If Meseraco can hit in the majors, Razor will be traded in July just like Molina was this season to make room for Posey

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    Re: Reds Re-Sign Ramon Hernandez

    Seems high to me too, but in reality 3M isn't much even for a backup these days. Hopefully Hanigan will get 4 of every 7 starts with Ramon getting the other 3.

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    Re: Reds Re-Sign Ramon Hernandez

    Basicaly agree.....Ramon was a great clutch hitter but even so, $3 million for a platoon catcher whose game calling is questionable is a bit much to me. I would have been ok with $2 million or so.

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    Re: Reds Re-Sign Ramon Hernandez

    Did you guys see the list of available catchers through free agency? It was pathetic and Ramon was near the top and would have been highly sought after. 3 million might actually be a good deal for a catcher this offseason.

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    Re: Reds Re-Sign Ramon Hernandez

    Needed to be done.

    Glad to get it out of the way early.

    Hanigan should get 3 out of 5 starts with Ramon getting 2 out of 5 starts.

    Baker doesn't like to give any of these Catchers 3 games in a row. Schedule will dictate more of the platoon.

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    Re: Reds Re-Sign Ramon Hernandez

    DANG! Now I guess Hanigan can lead off and Hernandez can play 1B and we can move Alonso to LF full-time after we trade that greedy Votto for some awesome pitcher like Dan Qualls or Brandon Lyon...

    SWEET!

    /all of SunDeck circa 2010 projections for Hanigan and Alonso and Votto...
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    Re: Reds Re-Sign Ramon Hernandez

    I don't hate this deal. Its only 1 year, and i'm not sure Hanigan can be an every day catcher without wearing down. It's a low risk deal in my opinion, and they were a solid combo this year.

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    Re: Reds Re-Sign Ramon Hernandez

    I'm fine with the deal. Hernandez has a good rapport with the latin pitchers and with more expected from Aroldis in 2011 hopefully Ramon can ease his progression. He also has a good approach at the plate and is able work the count fouling off pitches.

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    Re: Reds Re-Sign Ramon Hernandez

    Not a bad move. The catching corp was good this year, and should be somewhat similar in 2011, or until Mes is ready to take Ramon's spot.
    ...the 2-2 to Woodsen and here it comes...and it is swung on and missed! And Tom Browning has pitched a perfect game! Twenty-seven outs in a row, and he is being mobbed by his teammates, just to the thirdbase side of the mound.

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    Re: Reds Re-Sign Ramon Hernandez

    Kinda shocked people are dissing this move.

    The catching tandem of Hernandez/Hanigan is a very good thing. Keeps both of them fresh. I think everyone knows that if Mez steps up, this will be Hernandez's last season with the Reds. But he has been a valuable cog, along with Hanigan.

    I expected this move and like this move for the short term.
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    Re: Reds Re-Sign Ramon Hernandez

    Thyis is a good sign, Ramon will be a good gate keeper untill Maesraco is ready.

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    Re: Reds Re-Sign Ramon Hernandez

    I see no downside. 3 MIL in this market for a good catcher is a steal. Mez is no sure-shot to be ready next year and, if he is, Razor is a very trade-able commodity at that price. No downside here.
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    Re: Reds Re-Sign Ramon Hernandez

    I see some downside:


    Cordero

    Hanigan 30.2 IP, 2.05 ERA
    Hernandez 29.1 IP, 6.44 ERA
    Miller 12.2 IP, 2.13 ERA

    Masset

    Hanigan 25.2 IP, 0.70 ERA
    Hernandez 42.2 IP, 5.27 ERA
    Miller 8.1 IP, 2.16 ERA

    Ondrusek

    Hanigan 15.2 IP, 4.02 ERA
    Hernandez 32.2 IP, 4.41 ERA
    Miller 10.1 IP 0.87 ERA


    Smith

    Hanigan 10.2 IP, 2.53 ERA
    Hernandez 20.1 IP, 4.43 ERA
    Miller 11.0 IP, 3.27 ERA

    Harang

    Hanigan 42.0 IP, 4.07 ERA
    Hernandez 56.2 IP, 6.99 ERA
    Miller 13.0 IP, 2.08 ERA

    Bailey

    Hanigan 83.1 IP, 3.24 ERA
    Hernandez 25.2 IP, 8.42 ERA


    Wood

    Hanigan 33.1 IP, 2.43 ERA
    Hernandez 51.2 IP, 4.35 ERA
    Miller 17.2 IP, 3.06 ERA

    Leake

    Hanigan 20.1 IP, 5.31 ERA
    Hernandez 103.2 IP, 3.99 ERA
    Miller 14.1 IP, 4.40 ERA

    Volquez

    Hanigan 8.1 IP, 7.56 ERA
    Hernandez 54.1 IP, 3.81 ERA

    LeCure

    Hanigan 11.0 IP, 1.64 ERA
    Hernandez 29.2 IP, 5.46 ERA
    Miller 7.1 IP, 4.91 ERA

    Cueto

    Hanigan 6.0 IP, 3.00 ERA
    Hernandez 160.0 IP, 3.94 ERA
    Miller 19.2 IP, 1.37 ERA

    Arroyo

    Hanigan 162.1 IP, 3.94 ERA
    Hernandez 10.1 IP, 6.10 ERA
    Miller 43.0 IP, 3.14 ERA

    Rhodes

    Hanigan 20.2 IP, 3.05 ERA
    Hernandez 26.1 IP, 1.71 ERA
    Miller 8.0 IP, 2.25 ERA

    Owings

    Hanigan 11.0 IP, 1.64 ERA
    Hernandez 18.2 IP, 6.75 ERA
    Miller 3.2 IP, 9.82 ERA

    Bray

    Hanigan 12.0 IP, 1.50 ERA
    Hernandez 14.0 IP, 5.79 ERA
    Miller 2.1 IP, 7.71 ERA

    Herrera

    Hanigan 5.0 IP, 1.80 ERA
    Hernandez 13.0 IP, 4.85 ERA
    Miller 5.0 IP, 3.60 ERA

    Fisher

    Hanigan 10.1 IP, 3.48 ERA
    Hernandez 9.0 IP, 10.00 ERA
    Miller 3.0 IP, 0.00 ERA

    Chapman

    Hanigan 5.1 IP, 0.00 ERA
    Hernandez 7.0 IP, 3.86 ERA
    Miller 1.0 IP, 0.00 ERA



    Yes, this is simplified. But it's an unmistakable pattern: The Reds' pitchers are almost ALL significantly worse with Hernandez behind the plate. If he's the personal catcher for Cueto and Volquez and not much else, he's fine. And it would be nice if there was a way to keep him the hell away from all the relievers except for Rhodes. Seriously, the Reds would be better off without him, IMO.

    Catcher's ERA

    Hanigan 3.39
    Hernandez 4.77
    Miller 2.86
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    Re: Reds Re-Sign Ramon Hernandez

    Solid signing.

    If Hernandez shows a remarkable decline and Mesoraco proves to be ready, the Reds can always DFA Hernandez without a huge loss. If Hernandez is decent, Mesoraco gets another year to polish his game. This is a good insurance move by the Reds.


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