Not sure if anyone has said this, but I expect the club to move some pitcher or another. There's just too many that could be starters. Certainly it allows us to continue to ease Chapman in as a starter down the line and Leake or Wood could start in AAA, but that still leaves Arroyo, Cueto, Volquez, Bailey plus the remaining and that's not even looking at LeCure (probably destined for the pen) or Maloney (who I think is a prime candidate for being traded, albeit as part of a package or for other minor leaguers.
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I would LOVE to have an OF of Upton-Stubbs-Bruce. LOVE to. That might just be the highest upside OF of all time, or at least since Kearns-Griffey-Dunn :tongue: I'm a little curious/disappointed that teams other than the Yankees/Red Sox are not all over this, if there is any truth to the rumors out there.
IMO, an Upton acquisition would instantly confirm the Reds as favorites to repeat as Central champs (if they're not already). I would happily give Arizona their pick of Volquez, Bailey, Leake and Wood, and I'd throw in some more on top of that.
My only concern would be how his contract fits into the Reds financial plans in 2013-15 with Votto, Bruce, and the rest of the pitchers poised for huge raises and possible LTCs/FA.
Last edited by Benihana; 11-16-2010 at 06:27 PM.
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Has to make you wonder why they would lock Upton up and then look to deal him soon after.
They just lack in so many areas, it takes moving a piece like Upton to get all the pieces back. Pitching is so much more valuable than hitting and they have some great young starting pitching. Honestly I'd move Reynolds or Drew first but either is unlikely to get big returns like Upton.
Upton gets you Leake and Alonso to start, Reynolds gets you Maloney and Sappelt.
Also, it's not the same "they" anymore, right? Josh Byrnes locked him up, and Towers is supposedly auctioning him off, although I doubt he gets traded unless they get an offer they really can't refuse.
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I understand that starting pitching is considered one of the Reds strong suites but I'm still a bit skeptical about trading any of them away.
How many of our young starters can we really count on? I subscribe to the belief that you can never have enough pitching. I guess what I'm trying to say is I'd feel more comfortable holding on to all of these guys for at least one more season for depth, just in case of injury to someone we are counting on or the chance of an unexpected break out season by one of them.
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For an elite talent signed to a reasonable deal for the next 4 years, I'd part with any pitcher not named Cueto or Chapman.
Granted, I doubt this deal will ever happen, and if it does, it will probably involve a team with more financial flexibility than the Reds. But Upton looks like something very special.
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Which means you can't really improve your major league club all that much for 2011, as the prospects currently in the Red pipeline aren't headline material (aside from Chapman, who you don't want to part with).
My opinion is that anyone is available and extra parts are just that. If one of them discovers TOR material after leaving Cincinnati, it won't be the first bad trade made in Red history and won't be the last.
As long as the Reds find a legitimate bat among holes at SS and LF and improve the major league club, I don't care who they deal.
I agree and I'd trade anybody for the right return.
The Reds pitching staff had very good season in 2010 but I still see Bronson Arroyo, Johnny Cueto and 5 question marks in line for the 2011 starting rotation. Who knows how many of those 5 if any will pan out?
All I'm sayin' is if we trade 3 of those 5 pitchers in question we darn sure better make the right decision on which 3 to trade.
Last edited by Ron Madden; 11-18-2010 at 07:52 AM.
Johnny Cueto
BB/9 3.1
K/9 7.3
WHIP 1.348
ERA+ 98
Travis Wood
BB/9 2.3
K/9 7.5
WHIP 1.081
ERA+ 114
Career numbers for both. Johnny looked like he improved numbers wise last season. But I am still surprised that most people want to hold onto Cueto at all costs and wouldn't mind losing Wood. When in reality Wood was better across the board than Cueto. He doesn't have a smallish frame that Cueto has. And I love Wood's mound presence. He's got Moxie. You can't teach that.
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