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    Scutaro or Bartlett?

    Nice article on a couple of vet SS available on the trade market.

    http://soxblog.projo.com/2010/11/bartlett-availa.html

    I could see the Reds going one of these routes, especially if the market for a left fielder is thin or overly expensive.

    The good thing with either of these guys is that both can and have hit leadoff. I like Stubbs a lot, but I think moving him into the pole position this early in his career is a bad idea for his development.

    Do you like either Scutaro or Bartlett?
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    Re: Scutaro or Bartlett?

    Quote Originally Posted by I(heart)Freel View Post
    Nice article on a couple of vet SS available on the trade market.

    http://soxblog.projo.com/2010/11/bartlett-availa.html

    I could see the Reds going one of these routes, especially if the market for a left fielder is thin or overly expensive.

    The good thing with either of these guys is that both can and have hit leadoff. I like Stubbs a lot, but I think moving him into the pole position this early in his career is a bad idea for his development.

    Do you like either Scutaro or Bartlett?
    Definitely don't care for Scutaro whatsoever.

    Bartlett, minus one season, seems to be nothing more than an expensive version of Paul Janish. And 2009 was likely as good as it was thanks to his .389 BABIP.

    In other words, I pass.
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    Re: Scutaro or Bartlett?

    Quote Originally Posted by I(heart)Freel View Post
    Nice article on a couple of vet SS available on the trade market.

    http://soxblog.projo.com/2010/11/bartlett-availa.html

    I could see the Reds going one of these routes, especially if the market for a left fielder is thin or overly expensive.

    The good thing with either of these guys is that both can and have hit leadoff. I like Stubbs a lot, but I think moving him into the pole position this early in his career is a bad idea for his development.

    Do you like either Scutaro or Bartlett?
    I'd pass on both of them, take my chances with Paul Janish and bat him 8th.

    Just because a player has hit leadoff before is no indication he can do the job.

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    Re: Scutaro or Bartlett?

    I'd rather have Janish/Cozart than Scutero, even if their salaries were the same.
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    Re: Scutaro or Bartlett?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Madden View Post
    I'd pass on both of them, take my chances with Paul Janish and bat him 8th.

    Just because a player has hit leadoff before is no indication he can do the job.
    Sure, but Scutaro's 336 OBP in the leadoff slot last year was better than any Red in the leadoff slot last year. That's an indication.
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    Re: Scutaro or Bartlett?

    I hear the Marlins let their stars go for cheap.. How'd Hanley look in a Reds uni?
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    Re: Scutaro or Bartlett?

    I'd rather have Brignac then Bartlett, simply becasue he can hit from the left side.

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    Re: Scutaro or Bartlett?

    I'd take Scutaro for a year. He could lead-off and he'd probably put up an OPS in the mid .700s. That's .100 to .150 points more than I expect from Janish if he had to play every day. IF Cozart takes the job away, Scutaro would be great depth.

    I'm not as excited about Bartlett and would rather have Brignac in any deal with TB.,
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    Re: Scutaro or Bartlett?

    Definitely Scutaro for me, too. They'll make about the same amount of money, and I expect similar offensive production, but I like Scutaro's defense more.

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    Re: Scutaro or Bartlett?

    The Reds got Cabrera at 3 million last year without giving up any players. I don't see them giving up talent to get either of these guys at 5/6 million per, especially with Cabrera still out there and both Janish and Cozart one year further along in their development. Plus, Scutaro battled a shoulder injury last year and ended up playing 2B at the end of the year. At his age (35), he seems especially risky, even if his bat plays pretty well.
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    Re: Scutaro or Bartlett?

    Quote Originally Posted by I(heart)Freel View Post
    Sure, but Scutaro's 336 OBP in the leadoff slot last year was better than any Red in the leadoff slot last year. That's an indication.
    Except, the pitcher did not hit ahead except for interleague play. I'd discount that by a few points.
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    Re: Scutaro or Bartlett?

    I'm not sure I see the logic in either spending millions or trading away players for a marginal upgrade. Neither guy is much in the field any more nor a reliable source of OBP. Over the course of a year, I think you get the same net production from them as you would from a full year of Janish.
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    Re: Scutaro or Bartlett?

    J.J. Hardy should be cheaper and will probably outperform both of them.
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    Re: Scutaro or Bartlett?

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick View Post
    I'm not sure I see the logic in either spending millions or trading away players for a marginal upgrade. Neither guy is much in the field any more nor a reliable source of OBP. Over the course of a year, I think you get the same net production from them as you would from a full year of Janish.
    The Reds need a lead-off hitter, right?
    career OBP as lead-off hitters:
    .357 Marco Scutaro
    .356 Jason Bartlett
    .327 Drew Stubbs
    .305 Brandon Phillips

    I'm not even going to bother posting what Janish has done for his career, but needless to say, it's dreadful no matter where he's batting in the lineup.

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    Re: Scutaro or Bartlett?

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Footstool View Post
    J.J. Hardy should be cheaper and will probably outperform both of them.
    Agreed. Pass on Bartlett/Scutaro and focus on J.J. Hardy. He's a better defender and hitter than both of them, and he's reportedly available too.
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