Ryan Theriot to the Cards

[kaldaniels]

Why is it that I have the impression that Theriot used to kill the REDs?
Or was that Fontenot?

Can't get my Cubs straight.

Throw Murton into that mix as well. Right

[redsfan30]

There's something appropriate about this trade. It was sort of presaged on Opening Day. Am I remembering correctly that there was a glitch in the screen at that game and initially the Cardinals line up showed All Ryan Theriot in every line up slot. Does anyone else remember that?

Now that you mention it, yes that does sound familiar.

[Cedric]

Why are you shocked? The Cards really didn't give up any "value" for Theriot... they gave up Blake Hawksworth. The only thing that concerns me is his price tag. Although, his offense is better than Brendan Ryan's.

It's a horrible trade in every way. The Cardinals just paid money to play a worse player who is trending into god awful territory.
That's about as succinct as I can put it.

[Mario-Rijo]

It's a horrible trade in every way. The Cardinals just paid money to play a worse player who is trending into god awful territory.
That's about as succinct as I can put it.

The guy has been on some fairly weak offensive clubs and has scored 70+ runs in each of the past 5 seasons, .280+ career hitter with a career OBP% of .350 plus plays a solid MIF position. Where all this stuff about him being a bad player comes from I'll never know.

[camisadelgolf]

If he plays everyday and produces like he did in 2010, he'll hurt the Cards more than he'll help them. But as a utility player or capable second baseman who can get on base, he's not a bad addition to any team.

[Patrick Bateman]

The guy has been on some fairly weak offensive clubs and has scored 70+ runs in each of the past 5 seasons, .280+ career hitter with a career OBP% of .350 plus plays a solid MIF position. Where all this stuff about him being a bad player comes from I'll never know.

His WAR of 0 last year might have something to do with it.

But if he rebounds to his prior years then it will be a good contract.

[Cedric]

The guy has been on some fairly weak offensive clubs and has scored 70+ runs in each of the past 5 seasons, .280+ career hitter with a career OBP% of .350 plus plays a solid MIF position. Where all this stuff about him being a bad player comes from I'll never know.

Have you peeked at his WAR the last two years? That might be where "this stuff comes from".

The guy is 30 with declining defense and a major declining bat. The Cardinals have already stated that he will be their starting SS next year. That's great news for the Reds.

[Mario-Rijo]

Have you peeked at his WAR the last two years? That might be where "this stuff comes from".

The guy is 30 with declining defense and a major declining bat. The Cardinals have already stated that he will be their starting SS next year. That's great news for the Reds.

2 years? So because he performed below his (to date) career year in '09 it's a decline? Clearly he isn't a world beater or a SS but to say he is a worse player than Brendan Ryan is a bit over the top and to say he is trending anywhere is at best premature. I think it's alot more likely he is more a .700-.725 OPS bat and had 1/3 of a season (as a Dodger) playing sub par. If you play this guy at 2B and hit him ahead of Albert Pujols he'll likely be a positive. I know that the Cards have insinuated he will play SS but I will believe that when I see it. They were looking for a 2B and a SS coming into the offseason afterall. Bottom line he may not be ideal for them but he's not likely to be a negative.

[westofyou]

Ha... he was a likely non tender and they just gave up an asset for him, reeks of the Reds PU of Russ Ortiz when the rest of the league was waiting for him to hit the market for free.

[MattyHo4Life]

They were looking for a 2B and a SS coming into the offseason afterall. Bottom line he may not be ideal for them but he's not likely to be a negative.

It sounds like Brendan Ryan may be gone soon, so Theriot would be the SS unless another move is made. I'm not a huge fan of Theriot, but I do believe he is a better hitter than Brendan.

I think the Cards are still looking for an infielder to play SS or 2B, and that would determine who the starting SS and 2B is at the beginning of the season. I don't think Brendan Ryan will be a Cardinal for much longer though. It sounds like too many people want him gone.

[MattyHo4Life]

Ha... he was a likely non tender and they just gave up an asset for him, reeks of the Reds PU of Russ Ortiz when the rest of the league was waiting for him to hit the market for free.

The problem with having Hawksworth in your rotation is that he is usually a bigger asset to the other team.

[PuffyPig]

If you play this guy at 2B and hit him ahead of Albert Pujols he'll likely be a positive.

I hope you are right.

Let's load up the low OBA hitters so Pujols comes up in the first inning every game with no one on base.

[PuffyPig]

The problem with having Hawksworth in your rotation is that he is usually a bigger asset to the other team.

After your top 5 starters, Hawksworth is as good (or bad) as the next bunch of scrubs in line.

[Mario-Rijo]

I hope you are right.

Let's load up the low OBA hitters so Pujols comes up in the first inning every game with no one on base.

.350 OBP% is low? Wish we had one ahead of Votto.

[MattyHo4Life]

After your top 5 starters, Hawksworth is as good (or bad) as the next bunch of scrubs in line.

Hawksworth isn't any better than McClellan or Boggs. I'd prefer both of them start over Hawksworth. McClellan almost won a spot in the rotation last year, but Garcia surprised everybody in Spring Training. It wasn't because McClellan was bad, Garcia was just better.