Per Ken Rosenthall.. Interesting.
Per Ken Rosenthall.. Interesting.
Another move providing depth, though it looks like he will be starting outfielder. Could be used at 3rd as well. He isn't what he used to be but I sort of like a lineup that has Berkman, Pujols, Holliday, and Rasmus.
Last edited by MikeThierry; 12-04-2010 at 05:49 PM.
Well the Cards had a hole in Right Field so this is a good addition for them and could be a Great Move for Berkman.
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Berkman hasn't played the outfield in 4 years, and he was terrible at it then. He also coming off an injury filled sub-.800 OPS year.
Coming off the bench, for around $2-3M a year, maybe. As the starting LF for $8M? Just a God-awful, stupid move, imo.
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Yeah, summed up pretty well ^. Skimming through Cards forums their fans seem to be pretty happy with a veteran bat but not too happy at the $$$ thrown at him and his OF defensive liability.
Congrats, the Cards now have the worst fielding outfield in baseball and got older in the process. I suppose he could give Albert a day off here and there, but right field? You actually need an arm out there. Right field is going to be triple alley. You think Holliday is bad in left, just wait for a guy with no range and no arm manning right field.
I do love this line though....
That is so laughable I don't even know where to begin.Berkman was traded to the Yankees on July 31 and helped them win the AL wild card
Last edited by scott91575; 12-04-2010 at 07:44 PM.
Holliday's fielding isn't as bad as people make it out to be. Last year he led National League outfielders in Assists and was second in total putouts. He was also 4th in Range Factor/9 innings and Frange Factor per game. He looks awkward at times fielding but he is one of the better defensive left fielders in the NL. Considering that the .995 fielding percentage is the tops in left field in the NL, Holliday's .989 fielding percentage isn't that bad. He also had the most games in left field than anyone in the NL.
Also, if you take the Fielding Bible with any validity, Matt Holliday was voted on as the 5th best defensive LF in the game.
I don't like this move if I'm a Cards fan. Watching him the last two seasons, he just isn't the same player. Now put him in right field where he has rarley played in his career. It's not like the team needs alot of Veteran leadership either because they have Pujols, Carpenter, RightWain and Holliday. A definite head scratching move.
My first thought when I heard this is that they're worried about Puhols..... Then my second thought was "Oh &&%%$%^$&^%! Berkman's back in the Central"..... Always hated facing him.
Yeah, he's owned the Reds in his career. He was 5H/30AB with 3 GDP vs. the Reds in 2010 so hopefully it's a sign of that changing.
Looks like Berkman is being shifted to Left Field and Holliday to right. I can understand the opinions here. Its just for some reason guys who everyone thinks have been washed up thrive in St. Louis. This pickup of Berkman almost has a Larry Walker feel to it.
Except for the fact Walker had an OPS of 1.093 when he was traded to the Cards (it was Colorado, but still really good), and still had a cannon for an arm.
Last edited by scott91575; 12-05-2010 at 05:56 AM.
I'm currently on the fence on this one. He's pretty much guaranteed to give better offensive production than Jon Jay, but could give all of that back (or more) defensively. With Holliday shifted over to RF on days Berkman is playing left the team defense is weaker as well. It's also well more than I thought we'd pay for a guy like Berkman, but at least it's only a one year deal.
I guess it amounts to me being somewhat excited to see a guy I've been a fan of playing for the Cards, even if he is a shade of his former self. That combined with the potential of his OBP in front of Pujols make this deal not as bad to me as many think of it.
Well take your pick of old guys who seem to get a jolt playing here whether it be Will Clark, Sanders, etc. I wasn't saying that Berkman=Walker.
Razzle, I'm with you on this one. I think this could potentially be a good deal if Berkman can at least be a competent at bat. I am sure he will also be better than last year coming back from an injury. Even in his bad year, Berkman did have a .368 OBP and a .781 OPS. Heck, I'll be happy if he can produce at his 09 level in front of Pujols. The Cardinals lineup at least looks like a tough lineup with Berkman, Pujols, Holliday, Rasmus, and Freese. Certainly it is more potent than last years.
Last edited by MikeThierry; 12-05-2010 at 07:35 AM.
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