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    Re: Dealing coco

    The only deal that I think matches up well is O Perez for Cordero. The Mets want to unload Oliver at any cost as the Wilpons don't want to release him and eat that salary. I am sure a swap of bad contracts may peak their interest. The question than would become what do the Reds do with Oliver, we already have one lefty who can't throw strikes in AAA.

    Fukudome intrigues me but would the Cubs and Reds make a deal within the division knowing they play each other so much.

    I think the Reds are stuck on the CoCo coaster and can't get off.
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    Re: Dealing coco

    Quote Originally Posted by KoryMac5 View Post
    The only deal that I think matches up well is O Perez for Cordero. The Mets want to unload Oliver at any cost as the Wilpons don't want to release him and eat that salary. I am sure a swap of bad contracts may peak their interest. The question than would become what do the Reds do with Oliver, we already have one lefty who can't throw strikes in AAA.

    Fukudome intrigues me but would the Cubs and Reds make a deal within the division knowing they play each other so much.

    I think the Reds are stuck on the CoCo coaster and can't get off.
    If the Reds could get Pagan, I'd take Perez and let him be the mop-up man until I could find an excuse to DL him. He won't be worse than what the Reds got from Harang last year.
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    Re: Dealing coco

    1) IMO you are correct in your line of thinking. The team doesn't have a lot of money to spend. I just don't see the team dealing youth for some $10M+ player.

    2) All of your deals make sense. I brought up Fukodome in the 'trade ideas' thread a while back. Coco for Fukodome would be a great deal for the Reds.
    He has a no trade clause that we would have to get him to waive.
    I don't understand why Lou wouldn't like him. He plays good defense in RF. Very patient at the plate. He would make a fine leadoff hitter against RHP.
    His issue is that he just doesn't have the power to play a corner & isn't fast enough to play CF. However, as the LH part of a LF platoon he would work out great for the 2011 Reds. In fact he would work out so well for the team that I'd toss in a sweetener if needed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Razor Shines View Post
    He was just signed by TBS for a lot of money, I don't think they're going to be looking to deal him any time soon.
    I'd trade our CoCo for Coco straight up. Cordero can host Conan and Conan can be our new closer.

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    Re: Dealing coco

    Washington Nationals:

    Nats get Cordero, Chris Heisey, and Cash
    Reds get Josh Willingham and Sean Burnett

    LA Angels:

    Angels get Cordero, Homer Bailey, Zack Cozart, and Cash
    Reds get Scott Kazmir and Brandon Wood
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    Re: Dealing coco

    Quote Originally Posted by RedLegSuperStar View Post
    Washington Nationals:

    Nats get Cordero, Chris Heisey, and Cash
    Reds get Josh Willingham and Sean Burnett

    LA Angels:

    Angels get Cordero, Homer Bailey, Zack Cozart, and Cash
    Reds get Scott Kazmir and Brandon Wood
    While I like the Nats deal, I think the Angels deal would be awful. We would have little to no use for Kazmir. Bailey will outperform Kazmir next year, and I am not even as high on Bailey as a lot of people around here. Brandon Wood has been a monumental bust, and at this point he may not even be worth Cozart straight up.

    Take Bailey out of the deal and it is a much better match up all around.
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    Re: Dealing coco

    My best hope is that Coco steps it back up in 2011, and the Reds buy out his option year.

    Trying to get rid of him and that albatross of a contract and actually get a decent net return is grasping at straws if you ask me. If it could be done, thats swell...but my hopes are not up.

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    Re: Dealing coco

    But if we get Fukudome as the LF/leadoff hitter, who is going to be the LF/leadoff hitter past the month of May?

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    Re: Dealing coco

    How about this one: Cordero & Gomes for J.D. Drew.

    1) Reds get a left fielder. they can use Masset/Chapman as the co-closers. then maybe try to sign a cheap vet to give the pen some veteran savvy. still have Bray, Ondrusek & a host of other guys for the middle innings.

    2) Sox get an arm to shore up their bullpen (they only had two above average guys in the pen last year ) & get a RH bat to platoon with Ortiz at DH ( Ortiz was terrible vs lefties last year). They can play Crawford in left, Ellsbury in center & Cameron in right.

    3) the salaries are a near wash.
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    Re: Dealing coco

    I don't think the Sox would have any interest in Gomes, but they do want to shore up the bullpen. Coco for either Drew or Ellsbury would be just fine by me.
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    Re: Dealing coco

    My 2nd trade idea with the Sox...
    Cordero & Gomes for Mike Cameron & Marco Scutaro.


    I suspect that the Sox would rather move Cameron than Drew. I suspect Ellsbury is pencilled in CF for 2011 & beyond.

    I do think that they would have interest in a RH bat to platoon with Ortiz.
    Ortiz had an OPS of 599 vs lefties last year. As a DH. Thats really bad.

    The Sox bullpen was not a strength in 2010. Adding Crawford & Gonzalez won't help if they have a weak pen.

    Reds get a left fielder. they can go out & get a cheap LH bat as a bench outfielder. Heisey & the LH bat are the 2 bench outfielders assuming Walt can't swing a major trade involving Heisey.
    they fill LF & SS without taking on salary. They have cash left to maybe swing a deal for Greinke.

    Sox get an arm to shore up their bullpen & get a RH bat to platoon with Ortiz at DH. They can play Crawford in left, Ellsbury in center & Drew in right.
    They have been said to be trying to move Scutaro as they have Lowrie to play SS. Basically they add a decent bullpen arm and don't lose anything from the major league roster as they had an extra outfielder & an extra SS.
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