I have a love-hate relationship with Albert Pujols. Mostly hate.
We can help the team by dealing Alonso now, or by dealing Alonso at the deadline. Obviously, now helps more, but I think we have enough to get us to the playoffs already so better to find the right deal.
Another point about the Alonso/Votto debate. I think this was made before, but let me reiterate it. This isn't an either/or decision. A Votto trade could return a 1b prospect of equal or greater value than Alonso. Or a 3b prospect of that caliber and Rolen moves to 1b to finish his career. Or the Reds draft another 1b who is ready in 3 years (Alonso took 2.5 years to develop). Holding on to Alonso while he has trade value is a waste of resources, plain and simple.
The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball. America has rolled by like an army of steamrollers. It has been erased like a blackboard, rebuilt and erased again. But baseball has marked the time. -- Terrance Mann (Field of Dreams)
Garza >>> Leake/Bailey (right now--later on, it might turn out to be a wash)
Joyce > Alonso (not by much, but it could change either way later on)
It would have to take at least one major prospect to make this deal happen, and like I said, the pitchers aren't filling needs for either team.
Grandal is another option at 1b, especially if Mez is legit.
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I'm not sure I understand Walt's logic, unless 1 of 2 things is going on:
1) There's some thought about trading Votto sooner rather than later.
2) He's strengthening his bargaining position by suggesting that the Reds value Alonso more highly than others may think
If Votto's contract status isn't an issue for a few years, you're talking about letting a ripe Alonso rot on the vine in AAA. It's not hard to find quality 1B options; it's just not. If and when you have to Votto, if it comes to that, you can always include a 1B as part of the package coming back. As far as I'm concerned, given that the Reds' future is now and that there's so much uncertainty about the future, it seems odd to simply sit on a significant asset. I think it's still likely that if Walt makes a trade, Alonso is part of it.
Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.
I also think the Reds can contend as is. Some more help would be nice, but if the season started today the Reds would be my pick to win the division again.
I think they're going to wait and see whether or not Joey Votto is truly going to try and break the bank with a new contract. And I'll admit, the more time goes on I think we're all being a little naive to think that "he just wants to stay in a small town and play in Cincinnati because it's quaint and our city is a good baseball city".
Joey's quotes aren't sounding like he really knows what he is going to do yet. I saw firsthand a fan base selling themselves that an athlete was going to 'do the right thing' in their eyes and re-sign with the cavs when the fold should have been seen long before.
There are some smoke signals here--and its a very real possibility that Votto leaves here when his contract is up. Yes, he could yield first base prospects who are top of the line; but they're only prospects at the end of the day. Walt & co must feel like Alonso is another sure thing, they're being very careful with dangling him. It's weird
2009 Attendance Record: 3-5 2010 Attendance Record: 2-9 2015 Attendance Record: 2-0
2011 Attendance Record: 3-4 2012 Attendance Record: 3-4
2013 Attendance Record: 5-2 2014 Attendance Record: 3-1
It's clearly a story planted by the Reds. Who else in baseball gives a hill of beans about Alonso? No fanbases are clamoring to trade for him, no reporters were told to ask Jocketty about him.
(That's not a knock on Alonso -- just the reality of a non-megastar AAA 1B.)
First line is Votto's minor league career slash line.
Second is Alonso's minor league career slash line.
Alonso's includes a serious hand injury for most of it.
Even their AAA numbers are similar.
My only point is that shouldn't act like we know that Alonso will be a generic, easy to find 1B. Everyone said the same thing about Votto when he was coming up. Votto too was considered the Reds most tradable asset.
"Imagination is more important than knowledge." -- Albert Einstein
Once Votto signs, Alonso's value tanks -- but once Alonso is dealt, Votto's asking price probably increases.
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