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    Rule Five Draft chatter

    [Sorry if this is redundant with any other Rule Five thread. I didn't see anything at first glance.]

    Saw on Twitter a quick post about Danny Dorn and how he "crushes RHPs," making him a useful Rule 5 pick this week.

    Wondered if there were any more chatter about Thursday's draft from a Reds perspective. Any players you think Walt and Co. could take a chance on? Has Walt ever really used the Rule Five before? Are there Cards farmhands available that Walt would intimately know that he'd maybe take a chance on? Are there Reds (like Dorn) you hope can make it through the draft?

    Figured this could be the place to collect it all.
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    Re: Rule Five Draft chatter

    With the Reds, here is what Walt has done in the rule five draft:
    • Drafted David Patton and traded him to the Cubs for cash
    • In the minor league portion, drafted Francisco Lizarraga and sold him to Mexico.
    • In the minor league portion, drafted Doug Salinas, who had a very good year in A-ball.
    • Allowed the Nationals to draft Terrell Young, who became injured. He was offered back to the Reds, but the Reds claimed he was injured and therefore couldn't be return. Eventually, the injury supposedly cleared up, he was returned to the Reds, and we never heard from him again.
    • Allowed Henry Arias to be taken in the minor league portion of the draft.
    • Allowed Ben Jukich to be taken by the Cardinals, but he was returned to the Reds before the end of spring training. Just recently, he was sold to a Korean team.

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    Re: Rule Five Draft chatter

    Here's what Jocketty did at St. Louis (only ML transactions, easiest for me to find)

    1994 Took Rich DeLucia from O's

    1995 None

    1996 Lost Jeff Berglinger to Tigers, trade to Dodgers, ret'd to Cards

    1997 Lost Keith Glauber to Reds, Lost Luis Saturisto to Jays, ret'd 3/98

    1998 Took Alberto Castillo from Phillies

    1999, 2000 & 2001 None

    2002 Took Andy Cavazos from Rangers, shows him with Cards org until '07 when he
    played for StL. I'm thinking DL'd back when you could do that with a Rule 5
    pick. Released by Cards in 2007.

    2003 Took Hector Luna from Cleveland

    2004 Lost Tyler Johnson to A's, ret'd 3/05

    2005 Lost Tim Hummel to White Sox (this is after his time with Reds)
    Took Juan Mateo from Cubs, ret'd 3/06

    2006 None

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    Re: Rule Five Draft chatter

    With the 25 man being fairly set, and a lot of competition from top minor-leaguers for the bench spots that are available, I can't see Walt making any picks in the R5.
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    Re: Rule Five Draft chatter

    Quote Originally Posted by Caveat Emperor View Post
    With the 25 man being fairly set, and a lot of competition from top minor-leaguers for the bench spots that are available, I can't see Walt making any picks in the R5.
    I agree with you. Rule 5 selections do not make much sense for the Reds.

    Yet, there are only 37 names on the 40 man roster. Even if spaces were set aside for Rhodes and Cairo, there is still one open spot. I overvalue Reds prospects, so I think he should have protected one or two other players. To me, that would have been Horst, Klinker, or Hotchkiss. Dorn was neither protected nor taken last year, so I can understand leaving him unprotected this year. Thus, it seems to me that WJ has decided to risk players at a position of depth for the opportunity to take a player at a position of relative need and give that player a ST tryout.

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    Re: Rule Five Draft chatter

    Found a couple links from a Blue Jays site on (what the writer sees as) the top available talent in the Rule Five this week:

    Position players
    http://jaysjournal.com/2010/11/30/ru...ition-players/

    Pitchers
    http://jaysjournal.com/2010/11/28/ru...ties-pitchers/


    I'd need to dive in much more but Corey Wimberly (OAK) intrigues me as a switch hitting left fielder with lead off experience. Would he be worth the 25k to draft and bring to spring training as Gomes' platoon partner?

    Certainly a move like that (not necessarily Wimberly specifically) could be insurance against Nix not resigning and the Reds not finding a LF through a trade.
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    Re: Rule Five Draft chatter

    I wouldn't mind the Reds picking a raw athletic middle infielder, just in case SS help never arrives. Cario really can't play SS.

    On the other hand, it might make more sense to make a reach on a 5th OF and try to catch lightening in a bottle, or at least someone that can fill the role of backup CF and pinchrunner. Especially with the interest being shown in Heisley. Someone to replace Nix's role.

    I know a gamble like this has less than a 10% chance of working out, but it's so inexpensive to try.
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    Re: Rule Five Draft chatter

    http://cincinnati.com/blogs/reds/2010/12/08/9705/
    Jocketty also said the Reds will not take anyone in the Rule 5 draft tomorrow.

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    Re: Rule Five Draft chatter

    Quote Originally Posted by camisadelgolf View Post
    So I guess I'll just log in to see if Dorn was snatched. Bummer.
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    Re: Rule Five Draft chatter

    Quote Originally Posted by I(heart)Freel View Post
    So I guess I'll just log in to see if Dorn was snatched. Bummer.
    Make that Horst.

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    Re: Rule Five Draft chatter

    Anyone know what time this is going down tomorrow?
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    Re: Rule Five Draft chatter

    9:00 am Est. From MLBTradeRumors:

    •Pirates take Josh Rodriguez from Indians.
    •Mariners take Jose Flores from Indians.
    •Diamondbacks take Joe Paterson from Giants.
    •Orioles take Adrian Rosario from Brewers.
    •Royals take Nathan Adcock from Pirates.
    •Nationals take Elvin Ramirez from Mets.
    •Astros take Aneury Rodriguez from Rays.
    •Brewers take Pat Egan from Royals.
    •Mets take Brad Emaus from Blue Jays.
    •Padres take George Kontos from Yankees.
    •Twins take Scott Diamond from Braves.
    •Rays take Cesar Cabral from Red Sox.
    •Yankees take Robert Fish from Angels.
    •Phillies take Michael Martinez from Nationals.
    •Yankees take Daniel Turpen from Red Sox.

    Reds don't take or lose anyone in the Rule 5....
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    Re: Rule Five Draft chatter

    We lose no one in the ML portion, the Minor League portion begins in about 5 minutes.
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    Re: Rule Five Draft chatter

    Also, I think everyone picked came from AAA rosters, but I'm not certain of that.
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    Re: Rule Five Draft chatter

    Reds pass in the minor league phase as well. [this was just the AAA phase] - we lost no one in that round.
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