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    Carlos Pena Signs 1 Year Deal W/ Cubs

    For 10 million
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    Re: Carlos Pena Signs 1 Year Deal W/ Cubs

    Link?

    never mind, I see it now.
    Last edited by Ron Madden; 12-08-2010 at 05:08 AM.

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    Re: Carlos Pena Signs 1 Year Deal W/ Cubs

    Quote Originally Posted by RedLegSuperStar View Post
    For 10 million
    Wow. That's quite a bit more than I thought he'd get. Another Cubs overpay IMO.
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    Re: Carlos Pena Signs 1 Year Deal W/ Cubs

    1.0 WAR in 2010.

    That is a terrible deal for the Cubs.
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    Re: Carlos Pena Signs 1 Year Deal W/ Cubs

    Quote Originally Posted by Will M View Post
    1.0 WAR in 2010.

    That is a terrible deal for the Cubs.
    The best kind!

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    Re: Carlos Pena Signs 1 Year Deal W/ Cubs

    I'm a Pena fan. Have been since he was in the Rangers org. Watch him hit 40+ bombs in 2011, cux it is more than likely it will happen.
    Suck it up cupcake.

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    Re: Carlos Pena Signs 1 Year Deal W/ Cubs

    I'm not a fan. He ditched Wright State's baseball team after a month or two when I was there in 1995.

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    Wow. $10M? I can't believe any team would give a guy $10M coming off a full season south of the Mendoza line. I actually think he's a decent shot to give them fair value, but his low BABIP last year was in part due to a very low LD%. When I see a stikeout prone hitter in his 30's see a decline in BABIP, my gut says it's like a running back losing his legs -- he's not going to get it back.

    The guy just wasn't making a ton of good contact. He's still got a lot of raw power, but while he sustained his K%, his ISO dropped by 100 points. Without having actually seen the guy play, my guess is that he's losing some bat speed and is compensating by cutting down on his swing. Consequently, he's able to sustain his (mediocre) contact rate at the expense of a good chunk of power.

    That doesn't mean he's done per se', but I'd be surprised by an OPS north of .850.
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    Re: Carlos Pena Signs 1 Year Deal W/ Cubs

    But it is just for 1 year and the Cubs are not hurting for money. It's similar to Oakland signing Ben Sheets to a similar deal despite his injuries, except the Cubs can probably afford it more than Oakland good.

    I'm not saying it's a smart deal, but at least it's short-term so that might limit the damage it can do if last year was no abberation.

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    Re: Carlos Pena Signs 1 Year Deal W/ Cubs

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick View Post
    Wow. $10M? I can't believe any team would give a guy $10M coming off a full season south of the Mendoza line. I actually think he's a decent shot to give them fair value, but his low BABIP last year was in part due to a very low LD%. When I see a stikeout prone hitter in his 30's see a decline in BABIP, my gut says it's like a running back losing his legs -- he's not going to get it back.

    The guy just wasn't making a ton of good contact. He's still got a lot of raw power, but while he sustained his K%, his ISO dropped by 100 points. Without having actually seen the guy play, my guess is that he's losing some bat speed and is compensating by cutting down on his swing. Consequently, he's able to sustain his (mediocre) contact rate at the expense of a good chunk of power.

    That doesn't mean he's done per se', but I'd be surprised by an OPS north of .850.
    Don't quite know where you came up with fair value here. To be honest I can't really get behind a player who put up a historically bad season getting a 10M contract ten next season. I think Pena could be a good candidate for a bounce back season, but you pay top dollar for that.

    In digesting this a little more I can see a couple non awful aspects about this trade. The cubs have money to burn for one and it's a one year contract. But you can't keep issueing bad contracts to the likes of Soriano, Fukadome, and now Pena.

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    Re: Carlos Pena Signs 1 Year Deal W/ Cubs

    They should be grateful he didn't hit .200, or he would have cost $20M.

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    Re: Carlos Pena Signs 1 Year Deal W/ Cubs

    Quote Originally Posted by bucksfan2 View Post
    Don't quite know where you came up with fair value here. To be honest I can't really get behind a player who put up a historically bad season getting a 10M contract ten next season. I think Pena could be a good candidate for a bounce back season, but you pay top dollar for that.

    In digesting this a little more I can see a couple non awful aspects about this trade. The cubs have money to burn for one and it's a one year contract. But you can't keep issueing bad contracts to the likes of Soriano, Fukadome, and now Pena.
    Historically as in interesting, but not as in worst season ever. He still put up a .732 OPS -- not good by any stretch, but not historically bad.

    $10M is worth between 2.0 and 2.5 wins above replacement (so far this year, the price has been around $5M/WAR. Prior to last season's debacle, he put up seasons of 6.2, 4.0, and 2.8 WAR. So yeah, a "fair value" season is a very distinct possibility.
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    Re: Carlos Pena Signs 1 Year Deal W/ Cubs

    I've always liked Carlos Pena as a hitter. Batting Average never had anything to do with my process of thought.

    I wish he would've went to another division.
    Last edited by Ron Madden; 12-10-2010 at 03:50 AM.

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    Re: Carlos Pena Signs 1 Year Deal W/ Cubs

    So, Joey's agent sees this contract and thinks...?

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    Re: Carlos Pena Signs 1 Year Deal W/ Cubs

    I thought I heard half of it was deferred. I was watching MLB TV that morning and I thought that is where I heard it. Kind of odd if true.
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