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    Projecting Janish

    There has been some spirited debate in the Jose Reyes thread about how much production we should expect from Janish given the full-time gig. My position is possibly the most optimistic of anybody's I've seen. But I'm curious just how out of line I am with the RedsZone consensus.

    So, given the full-time job and assuming he keeps it (140+ games, 600+ PA), what level of production should we expect from Janish. No explanation is needed, but certainly feel free...
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    Re: Projecting Janish

    .235/.305/.340
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    Re: Projecting Janish

    Quote Originally Posted by pedro View Post
    .235/.305/.340
    I'm in that neighborhood too.

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    Re: Projecting Janish

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou View Post
    I'm in that neighborhood too.
    Ditto.. Maybe slightly higher average. His D is what the Reds are in love with. I don't think they care about his offense. I do on the other hand. When Stubbs was near the mandoza line.. I thought Heisey should of gotten some starts. I think this club could potentially put together a package for a Jose Reyes. I think you solve issues at lead off and at SS.

    I would propose:

    CoCo Cordero, Homer Bailey, Logan Ondrusek, Zack Cozart & Todd Frazier to the Mets
    Jose Reyes, Oliver Perez, & Cash to the Reds

    Masset or Chapman become Closer
    Reyes Leadsoff and is your starting SS
    Perez is Long Relief or Situational

    Mets get a Closer and a Set-up man
    Bailey gives them a power arm to the rotation
    Mets also get a young group up the middle with Cozart and Frazier
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    Re: Projecting Janish

    Everytime I see Janish on the field I get flashbacks of Darrel Chaney and Woody Woodward.

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    Re: Projecting Janish

    .242, .288, .333

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    Re: Projecting Janish

    Quote Originally Posted by remdog View Post
    Everytime I see Janish on the field I get flashbacks of Darrel Chaney and Woody Woodward.

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    Tom Veryzer as well

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    Re: Projecting Janish

    Quote Originally Posted by RedLegSuperStar View Post
    Ditto.. Maybe slightly higher average. His D is what the Reds are in love with. I don't think they care about his offense. I do on the other hand. When Stubbs was near the mandoza line.. I thought Heisey should of gotten some starts. I think this club could potentially put together a package for a Jose Reyes. I think you solve issues at lead off and at SS.

    I would propose:

    CoCo Cordero, Homer Bailey, Logan Ondrusek, Zack Cozart & Todd Frazier to the Mets
    Jose Reyes, Oliver Perez, & Cash to the Reds

    Masset or Chapman become Closer
    Reyes Leadsoff and is your starting SS
    Perez is Long Relief or Situational

    Mets get a Closer and a Set-up man
    Bailey gives them a power arm to the rotation
    Mets also get a young group up the middle with Cozart and Frazier
    We better be getting a payroll's worth of cash back from the Mets.
    Reyes is making $11M in 2011. Perez is due $12M in 2011. They are both set to become free agents after the 2011 season. And you're willing to give up young, cheap players like Bailey, Ondrusek, Cozart, and Frazier for that? No thanks.
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    Re: Projecting Janish

    Quote Originally Posted by pedro View Post
    .235/.305/.340
    Just for the record, if he puts up those numbers offensively, and his career numbers defensively, Janish would be very close to a 2 WAR player.
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    Re: Projecting Janish

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNext44 View Post
    Just for the record, if he puts up those numbers offensively, and his career numbers defensively, Janish would be very close to a 2 WAR player.
    His career numbers defensively appear to be greatly skewed by a somewhat ridiculous 2009 measurement.

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    Re: Projecting Janish

    Quote Originally Posted by edabbs44 View Post
    His career numbers defensively appear to be greatly skewed by a somewhat ridiculous 2009 measurement.
    I could say the same thing about his offensive numbers being skewed by abnormally low 2008, or even his 2009 numbers.
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    Re: Projecting Janish

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNext44 View Post
    I could say the same thing about his offensive numbers being skewed by abnormally low 2008, or even his 2009 numbers.
    Are they really abnormal though?

    I am comparing his 2009 UZR to recent other numbers put up by SSs in the league. His number was abnormal to the rest of the league, not his history.

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    Re: Projecting Janish

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNext44 View Post
    I could say the same thing about his offensive numbers being skewed by abnormally low 2008, or even his 2009 numbers.
    It's not abnormally low if it's in line with what he did in the minors.

    I also think his defense is a little overrated here on RZ. He's no Adam Everett.
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    Re: Projecting Janish

    Quote Originally Posted by pedro View Post
    .235/.305/.340
    That's about what I was going to say.
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    .250 .350 .390 .740

    And he'll get many presents from his pitching staff.
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