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    so whos next in line for your reds wish list?

    im guessing this come via trade if were topped out on payroll. and its gonna be a LF or SS.

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    Re: so whos next in line for your reds wish list?

    The Reds aren't going to do anything. They've spoken loudly so far with their silence.
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    Re: so whos next in line for your reds wish list?

    Carlos Reyes SS and Lead Off Hitter

    They cannot go into the Regular Season with Janish as the Starter...

    I am fine with Gomes and Heisey in Left going into the season as long as Lead off and SS are taken care of.

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    Re: so whos next in line for your reds wish list?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hondo View Post
    Carlos Reyes SS and Lead Off Hitter

    They cannot go into the Regular Season with Janish as the Starter...

    I am fine with Gomes and Heisey in Left going into the season as long as Lead off and SS are taken care of.
    They played some of their best ball when Janish was the starter for awhile last season.

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    Re: so whos next in line for your reds wish list?

    Quote Originally Posted by Orodle View Post
    They played some of their best ball when Janish was the starter for awhile last season.
    Janish is not an everyday player. Bench player IMO... The same opinion of many in and around Baseball.

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    Re: so whos next in line for your reds wish list?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hondo View Post
    Janish is not an everyday player. Bench player IMO... The same opinion of many in and around Baseball.
    would you choose ocab over janish given the choice?

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    Re: so whos next in line for your reds wish list?

    Jose Reyes, we need a leadoff hitter, and he's available, Janish cant be a leadoff, he's a 8th hitter at best, but we dont need an 8th hitter, we need a leadoff hitter. And i dont think there's a LF available, so Jose Reyes would be my choice.

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    Re: so whos next in line for your reds wish list?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hondo View Post
    Janish is not an everyday player. Bench player IMO... The same opinion of many in and around Baseball.
    Please cite some sources for this "same opinion of many in and around baseball."
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    Re: so whos next in line for your reds wish list?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vottomatic View Post
    Please cite some sources for this "same opinion of many in and around baseball."
    http://www.rototimes.com/mlb/player/6510/notes#172717

    Our View:A workmanlike defender, Janish hit .260 to go along with a .338 on-base percentage last season. However, already 28 years old, he has little upside, and would surely see his numbers nose dive were he to be given a full complement of at-bats next season. He won't be a fantasy option outside of NL-only leagues.


    http://www.bukisa.com/articles/24426...ll-draft-guide

    #5 - Drew Sutton - SS - Cincinnati Reds (26)

    Earning some playing time during the second half of the 2009 season for the Reds, Sutton would be the favorite to win the starting SS job for the Reds if he would have had just a solid showing. However after struggling a bit at the plate during the 2009 season, Sutton will need an excellent spring training if he wishes to win the starting SS job over Paul Janish for the Reds to begin the 2010 season. Yet luckily for Sutton, he can provide solid utility play, as he saw playing time at SS, 2B, 3B, LF, and RF over 23 games for the Reds during the 2009 season. Displaying a solid power and speed combination on the offensive end, including a 20 homerun and 20 stolen base year in the minors during the 2008 season, there is no doubt that Sutton offers a ton more offensive potential than Paul Janish. If Janish starts the 2010 season slowly at the plate, Sutton could very easily swoop in and take over the starting SS job and keep it.

    2009 Minor League Stats: 172 AB, 33 R, 5 HR, 22 RBI, 1 SB, .262 AVG

    2009 Major League Stats: 66 AB, 10 R, 1 HR, 9 RBI, 0 SB, .212 AVG

    2010 Major League Stat Projections: 55 R, 8 HR, 50 RBI, 15 SB, .275 AVG

    http://www.redreporter.com/2010/10/2...e-at-shortstop

    Bottom line: Good shortstops are hard to come by, which is why they're so valuable. The Reds will not have a good shortstop in 2011, although by playing Janish every day, they may be able to capitalize on the glove in order to stabilize a young pitching staff.

    http://www.sportingnews.com/mlb/feed...ortstop-market

    With most clubs set at shortstop, it looks like a buyer's market even though the pickings are slim. Assuming Jeter stays in New York, the Giants, Reds and Orioles are the clubs in obvious need of a regular shortstop.
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    Re: so whos next in line for your reds wish list?

    Weak sources.
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    Re: so whos next in line for your reds wish list?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vottomatic View Post
    Weak sources.
    Doesnt matter, you asked for sources and he gave you some.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedLakerFan24 View Post
    Doesnt matter, you asked for sources and he gave you some.
    Yes I did.

    He gave me his weak sources.

    It explains alot.

    Thanks.
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    Re: so whos next in line for your reds wish list?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vottomatic View Post
    Yes I did.

    He gave me his weak sources.

    It explains alot.

    Thanks.
    Agreed, the first "source" is about fantasy, which basically means he's not one of the top 15 or so SS's in the game in terms of offensive numbers. Doesn't take into account defense or anything besides the nice counting numbers that count in fantasy.

    The second "source" is a year old which doesn't take into account the improvement he showed when he was given his prolonged chance last season and showed decent improvement. This is also another story about fantasy, which weakens it even more.

    Third "source" I liked where the quote was cut off, the next line read: "If he hits 8th, this position may still yet improve again for next year." showing the Janish is not the worst thing that could happen to the team as was trying to be pointed out. This is also just some random fan post, which gives it very little credibility anyways.

    The fourth source, while being from the most credible source out of all of them, it is probably the weakest of them all since it is such a superficial glance at the Red's situation that it is laughable it was included.
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    Re: so whos next in line for your reds wish list?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vottomatic View Post
    Yes I did.

    He gave me his weak sources.

    It explains alot.

    Thanks.
    Steve Phillips said the same thing on Fanhouse... But you would have said the same thing about him too...

    Get this through to your Brain.

    Paul Janish is 28 years old. He is not going to somehow improve to be a full time starter. He is a back up infielder. Great Defender in part time role.

    He is what he is.

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    Re: so whos next in line for your reds wish list?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quatitos View Post
    Agreed, the first "source" is about fantasy, which basically means he's not one of the top 15 or so SS's in the game in terms of offensive numbers. Doesn't take into account defense or anything besides the nice counting numbers that count in fantasy.

    The second "source" is a year old which doesn't take into account the improvement he showed when he was given his prolonged chance last season and showed decent improvement. This is also another story about fantasy, which weakens it even more.

    Third "source" I liked where the quote was cut off, the next line read: "If he hits 8th, this position may still yet improve again for next year." showing the Janish is not the worst thing that could happen to the team as was trying to be pointed out. This is also just some random fan post, which gives it very little credibility anyways.

    The fourth source, while being from the most credible source out of all of them, it is probably the weakest of them all since it is such a superficial glance at the Red's situation that it is laughable it was included.
    Listen Dude, I don't have 20 of the 30 GM's cell numbers at my disposal but if I did you would probably be 99% with Janish not being a starter...

    Lets go through the list.

    Andino, Robert + Orioles SS 66 .295 .340 .459 .273 1.556 .045 .197 .318 .424 831
    Andrus, Elvis + Rangers SS 657 .265 .317 .301 .237 1.135 .097 .146 .335 .269 612
    Aviles, Mike + Royals SS 448 .304 .327 .413 .288 1.357 .045 .109 .333 .391 786
    Aybar, Erick # Angels SS 578 .253 .289 .330 .234 1.304 .061 .140 .294 .304 564
    Barney, Darwin + Cubs SS 85 .241 .284 .291 .224 1.211 .071 .141 .294 .271 454
    Bartlett, Jason + Devil Rays SS 521 .254 .299 .350 .228 1.378 .086 .159 .315 .315 621
    Betancourt, Yuniesky + Royals SS 584 .259 .267 .405 .247 1.563 .039 .110 .286 .385 620
    Betemit, Wilson # Royals SS 315 .297 .361 .511 .260 1.720 .114 .235 .375 .448 1099
    Bocock, Brian + Phillies SS 5 .000 .000 .000 .000 ----- .000 .600 .000 .000 1
    Brignac, Reid * Devil Rays SS 326 .256 .317 .385 .236 1.506 .061 .236 .298 .356 650
    Cabrera, Asdrubal # Indians SS 414 .276 .318 .346 .254 1.257 .060 .145 .314 .319 629
    Cabrera, Everth # Padres SS 233 .208 .274 .278 .189 1.341 .082 .232 .270 .253 435
    Cabrera, Orlando + Reds SS 532 .263 .284 .354 .244 1.346 .053 .100 .297 .329 551
    Castro, Juan + Dodgers SS 4 .000 .000 .000 .000 ----- .250 .500 .250 .000 136
    Castro, Juan + Phillies SS 135 .198 .238 .238 .185 1.200 .052 .170 .237 .222 285
    Castro, Starlin + Cubs SS 502 .300 .346 .408 .277 1.360 .058 .141 .335 .376 775
    Cedeno, Ronny + Pirates SS 495 .256 .315 .382 .242 1.492 .046 .214 .289 .362 588
    Ciriaco, Pedro + Pirates SS 6 .500 1.000 1.000 .500 2.000 .000 .500 .500 1.000 3587
    Cora, Alex * Rangers SS 7 .286 .286 .286 .286 1.000 .000 .000 .286 .286 463
    Cora, Alex * Mets SS 185 .207 .226 .278 .189 1.343 .054 .086 .243 .254 396
    Crosby, Bobby + Pirates SS 173 .224 .279 .295 .202 1.314 .092 .191 .295 .266 479
    Crosby, Bobby + Diamondbacks SS 14 .167 .250 .333 .143 2.000 .071 .357 .214 .286 266
    Cruz, Luis + Brewers SS 17 .235 .267 .353 .235 1.500 .000 .118 .235 .353 473
    Desmond, Ian + Nationals SS 565 .269 .317 .392 .250 1.461 .050 .193 .299 .365 649
    Diaz, Argenis + Pirates SS 36 .242 .348 .273 .222 1.125 .083 .278 .306 .250 468
    Donald, Jason + Indians SS 321 .253 .320 .378 .234 1.493 .069 .218 .302 .349 635
    Drew, Stephen * Diamondbacks SS 631 .278 .321 .458 .249 1.650 .098 .171 .347 .410 916
    Escobar, Alcides + Brewers SS 548 .235 .264 .326 .217 1.387 .066 .128 .283 .301 524
    Escobar, Yunel + Blue Jays SS 259 .275 .296 .356 .251 1.292 .073 .100 .324 .324 704
    Escobar, Yunel + Braves SS 299 .238 .270 .284 .207 1.194 .124 .104 .331 .247 541
    Espinosa, Danny # Nationals SS 112 .214 .239 .447 .196 2.091 .080 .268 .277 .411 673
    Everett, Adam + Tigers SS 86 .185 .234 .247 .174 1.333 .047 .209 .221 .233 260
    Furcal, Rafael # Dodgers SS 426 .300 .338 .460 .270 1.530 .094 .141 .364 .413 963
    Gonzalez, Alex + Braves SS 289 .240 .276 .386 .221 1.609 .048 .183 .270 .356 586
    Gonzalez, Alex + Blue Jays SS 348 .259 .274 .497 .244 1.918 .049 .187 .293 .468 776
    Green, Nick + Blue Jays SS 14 .154 .200 .154 .143 1.000 .071 .214 .214 .143 198
    Green, Nick + Dodgers SS 9 .125 .167 .125 .111 1.000 .000 .222 .111 .111 186
    Greene, Tyler + Cardinals SS 122 .221 .266 .327 .189 1.478 .107 .197 .295 .279 624
    Guzman, Cristian # Rangers SS 49 .152 .194 .174 .143 1.143 .061 .204 .204 .163 193
    Guzman, Cristian # Nationals SS 343 .282 .331 .361 .262 1.278 .050 .155 .312 .335 664
    Hardy, J.J. + Twins SS 372 .268 .299 .394 .245 1.473 .075 .145 .320 .360 686
    Hernandez, Diory + Braves SS 9 .111 .000 .444 .111 4.000 .000 .444 .111 .444 263
    Hernandez, Luis # Mets SS 47 .250 .257 .409 .234 1.636 .043 .149 .277 .383 687
    Hicks, Brandon + Braves SS 6 .000 .000 .000 .000 ----- .167 .333 .167 .000 62
    Hu, Chin-lung + Dodgers SS 25 .130 .158 .174 .120 1.333 .000 .200 .120 .160 129
    Izturis, Cesar # Orioles SS 506 .230 .257 .268 .215 1.165 .049 .105 .265 .251 407
    Janish, Paul + Reds SS 225 .260 .283 .385 .231 1.481 .098 .133 .329 .342 727
    Jeter, Derek + Yankees SS 738 .270 .307 .370 .243 1.369 .085 .144 .328 .332 713
    Kelly, Don * Tigers SS 250 .244 .259 .374 .232 1.534 .032 .168 .264 .356 563
    Lopez, Felipe # Cardinals SS 422 .231 .272 .340 .206 1.471 .102 .182 .308 .303 579
    Lopez, Felipe # Red Sox SS 16 .267 .300 .467 .250 1.750 .063 .250 .313 .438 862
    Lowrie, Jed # Red Sox SS 197 .287 .292 .526 .249 1.837 .127 .127 .376 .457 1139
    Lugo, Julio + Orioles SS 258 .249 .314 .282 .233 1.133 .058 .194 .291 .264 484
    Luna, Hector + Marlins SS 30 .138 .133 .379 .133 2.750 .000 .433 .133 .367 245
    Manzella, Tommy + Astros SS 277 .225 .302 .264 .209 1.172 .047 .256 .256 .245 377
    Martinez, Ozzie + Marlins SS 47 .326 .378 .465 .298 1.429 .085 .128 .383 .426 1000
    McCoy, Mike + Blue Jays SS 90 .195 .258 .244 .178 1.250 .089 .222 .267 .222 345
    McDonald, John + Blue Jays SS 161 .250 .260 .454 .236 1.816 .037 .161 .273 .429 647
    Morse, Mike + Nationals SS 293 .289 .330 .519 .263 1.792 .075 .218 .338 .471 1050
    Murphy, Donnie + Marlins SS 46 .318 .500 .705 .304 2.214 .043 .413 .348 .674 1337
    Navarro, Oswaldo + Astros SS 25 .050 .063 .050 .040 1.000 .200 .160 .240 .040 156
    Navarro, Yamaico + Red Sox SS 46 .143 .222 .143 .130 1.000 .043 .370 .174 .130 137
    Nelson, Chris + Rockies SS 26 .280 .333 .320 .269 1.143 .038 .154 .308 .308 533
    Nunez, Eduardo + Yankees SS 53 .280 .277 .360 .264 1.286 .057 .038 .321 .340 667
    Ojeda, Augie # Diamondbacks SS 89 .190 .205 .228 .169 1.200 .090 .090 .258 .202 311
    Pena, Ramiro # Yankees SS 163 .227 .271 .247 .215 1.086 .037 .166 .252 .233 354
    Pennington, Cliff # Athletics SS 564 .250 .296 .368 .225 1.472 .089 .170 .314 .332 650
    Plouffe, Trevor + Twins SS 42 .146 .154 .317 .143 2.167 .000 .333 .143 .310 225
    Ramirez, Alexei + White Sox SS 619 .282 .300 .431 .267 1.527 .044 .132 .310 .407 740
    Ramirez, Hanley + Marlins SS 619 .300 .327 .475 .263 1.583 .103 .150 .367 .417 1042
    Ransom, Cody + Phillies SS 45 .190 .207 .333 .178 1.750 .067 .244 .244 .311 460
    Renteria, Edgar + Giants SS 265 .276 .323 .374 .253 1.358 .079 .162 .332 .343 696
    Reyes, Jose # Mets SS 599 .282 .301 .428 .265 1.516 .052 .105 .317 .402 758
    Rollins, Jimmy # Phillies SS 394 .243 .246 .374 .216 1.541 .102 .081 .317 .332 663
    Romero, Niuman # Red Sox SS 4 .000 .000 .000 .000 ----- .000 .000 .000 .000 1
    Romine, Andrew # Angels SS 11 .091 .143 .091 .091 1.000 .000 .364 .091 .091 47
    Ryan, Brendan + Cardinals SS 477 .223 .253 .294 .205 1.316 .069 .126 .275 .270 436
    Sanchez, Angel + Astros SS 263 .280 .341 .348 .266 1.243 .042 .171 .308 .331 614
    Sanchez, Angel + Red Sox SS 3 .000 .000 .000 .000 ----- .000 .000 .000 .000 1
    Santiago, Ramon # Tigers SS 359 .263 .308 .325 .234 1.238 .084 .156 .318 .290 638
    Scutaro, Marco + Red Sox SS 691 .275 .295 .388 .252 1.408 .077 .103 .329 .355 707
    Sutton, Drew # Reds SS 3 .667 1.000 1.667 .667 2.500 .000 .333 .667 1.667 12079
    Sutton, Drew # Indians SS 39 .222 .304 .333 .205 1.500 .077 .308 .282 .308 522
    Tejada, Ruben + Mets SS 249 .213 .250 .282 .185 1.326 .088 .153 .273 .245 464
    Theriot, Ryan + Cubs SS 410 .284 .319 .327 .268 1.155 .046 .112 .315 .310 592
    Theriot, Ryan + Dodgers SS 223 .242 .276 .283 .215 1.167 .099 .126 .314 .251 529
    Tolleson, Steve + Athletics SS 53 .286 .333 .408 .264 1.429 .075 .170 .340 .377 769
    Tulowitzki, Troy + Rockies SS 528 .315 .327 .568 .280 1.804 .091 .148 .371 .506 1243
    Valaika, Chris + Reds SS 39 .263 .321 .368 .256 1.400 .026 .231 .282 .359 570
    Valdez, Wilson + Phillies SS 356 .258 .287 .360 .242 1.395 .059 .121 .301 .337 601
    Vizquel, Omar # White Sox SS 384 .276 .309 .331 .247 1.200 .089 .117 .336 .297 650
    Wilson, Jack + Mariners SS 206 .249 .298 .316 .233 1.271 .034 .170 .267 .296 455
    Wilson, Josh + Mariners SS 388 .227 .280 .294 .211 1.293 .036 .191 .247 .273 441
    Zawadzki, Lance # Padres SS 40 .200 .250 .257 .175 1.286 .125 .175 .300 .225 420

    Now you tell me where Janish ranks as a Starter among all SS in the Majors. Defend your boy as a starter. Go~


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