so whos next in line for your reds wish list?

[webbbj]

im guessing this come via trade if were topped out on payroll. and its gonna be a LF or SS.

[Vottomatic]

The Reds aren't going to do anything. They've spoken loudly so far with their silence.

[Hondo]

Carlos Reyes SS and Lead Off Hitter

They cannot go into the Regular Season with Janish as the Starter...

I am fine with Gomes and Heisey in Left going into the season as long as Lead off and SS are taken care of.

[Orodle]

Carlos Reyes SS and Lead Off Hitter

They cannot go into the Regular Season with Janish as the Starter...

I am fine with Gomes and Heisey in Left going into the season as long as Lead off and SS are taken care of.

They played some of their best ball when Janish was the starter for awhile last season.

[Hondo]

They played some of their best ball when Janish was the starter for awhile last season.

Janish is not an everyday player. Bench player IMO... The same opinion of many in and around Baseball.

[FlyerFanatic]

Janish is not an everyday player. Bench player IMO... The same opinion of many in and around Baseball.

would you choose ocab over janish given the choice?

[RedLakerFan24]

Jose Reyes, we need a leadoff hitter, and he's available, Janish cant be a leadoff, he's a 8th hitter at best, but we dont need an 8th hitter, we need a leadoff hitter. And i dont think there's a LF available, so Jose Reyes would be my choice.

[Vottomatic]

Janish is not an everyday player. Bench player IMO... The same opinion of many in and around Baseball.

Please cite some sources for this "same opinion of many in and around baseball."

[Hondo]

Please cite some sources for this "same opinion of many in and around baseball."

http://www.rototimes.com/mlb/player/6510/notes#172717

Our View:A workmanlike defender, Janish hit .260 to go along with a .338 on-base percentage last season. However, already 28 years old, he has little upside, and would surely see his numbers nose dive were he to be given a full complement of at-bats next season. He won't be a fantasy option outside of NL-only leagues.


http://www.bukisa.com/articles/24426...ll-draft-guide

#5 - Drew Sutton - SS - Cincinnati Reds (26)

Earning some playing time during the second half of the 2009 season for the Reds, Sutton would be the favorite to win the starting SS job for the Reds if he would have had just a solid showing. However after struggling a bit at the plate during the 2009 season, Sutton will need an excellent spring training if he wishes to win the starting SS job over Paul Janish for the Reds to begin the 2010 season. Yet luckily for Sutton, he can provide solid utility play, as he saw playing time at SS, 2B, 3B, LF, and RF over 23 games for the Reds during the 2009 season. Displaying a solid power and speed combination on the offensive end, including a 20 homerun and 20 stolen base year in the minors during the 2008 season, there is no doubt that Sutton offers a ton more offensive potential than Paul Janish. If Janish starts the 2010 season slowly at the plate, Sutton could very easily swoop in and take over the starting SS job and keep it.

2009 Minor League Stats: 172 AB, 33 R, 5 HR, 22 RBI, 1 SB, .262 AVG

2009 Major League Stats: 66 AB, 10 R, 1 HR, 9 RBI, 0 SB, .212 AVG

2010 Major League Stat Projections: 55 R, 8 HR, 50 RBI, 15 SB, .275 AVG

http://www.redreporter.com/2010/10/2...e-at-shortstop

Bottom line: Good shortstops are hard to come by, which is why they're so valuable. The Reds will not have a good shortstop in 2011, although by playing Janish every day, they may be able to capitalize on the glove in order to stabilize a young pitching staff.

http://www.sportingnews.com/mlb/feed...ortstop-market

With most clubs set at shortstop, it looks like a buyer's market even though the pickings are slim. Assuming Jeter stays in New York, the Giants, Reds and Orioles are the clubs in obvious need of a regular shortstop.

[Vottomatic]

Weak sources.

[RedLakerFan24]

Weak sources.

Doesnt matter, you asked for sources and he gave you some.

[Vottomatic]

Doesnt matter, you asked for sources and he gave you some.

Yes I did.

He gave me his weak sources.

It explains alot.

Thanks.

[Quatitos]

Yes I did.

He gave me his weak sources.

It explains alot.

Thanks.

Agreed, the first "source" is about fantasy, which basically means he's not one of the top 15 or so SS's in the game in terms of offensive numbers. Doesn't take into account defense or anything besides the nice counting numbers that count in fantasy.

The second "source" is a year old which doesn't take into account the improvement he showed when he was given his prolonged chance last season and showed decent improvement. This is also another story about fantasy, which weakens it even more.

Third "source" I liked where the quote was cut off, the next line read: "If he hits 8th, this position may still yet improve again for next year." showing the Janish is not the worst thing that could happen to the team as was trying to be pointed out. This is also just some random fan post, which gives it very little credibility anyways.

The fourth source, while being from the most credible source out of all of them, it is probably the weakest of them all since it is such a superficial glance at the Red's situation that it is laughable it was included.

[Hondo]

Yes I did.

He gave me his weak sources.

It explains alot.

Thanks.

Steve Phillips said the same thing on Fanhouse... But you would have said the same thing about him too...

Get this through to your Brain.

Paul Janish is 28 years old. He is not going to somehow improve to be a full time starter. He is a back up infielder. Great Defender in part time role.

He is what he is.

[Hondo]

Agreed, the first "source" is about fantasy, which basically means he's not one of the top 15 or so SS's in the game in terms of offensive numbers. Doesn't take into account defense or anything besides the nice counting numbers that count in fantasy.

The second "source" is a year old which doesn't take into account the improvement he showed when he was given his prolonged chance last season and showed decent improvement. This is also another story about fantasy, which weakens it even more.

Third "source" I liked where the quote was cut off, the next line read: "If he hits 8th, this position may still yet improve again for next year." showing the Janish is not the worst thing that could happen to the team as was trying to be pointed out. This is also just some random fan post, which gives it very little credibility anyways.

The fourth source, while being from the most credible source out of all of them, it is probably the weakest of them all since it is such a superficial glance at the Red's situation that it is laughable it was included.

Listen Dude, I don't have 20 of the 30 GM's cell numbers at my disposal but if I did you would probably be 99% with Janish not being a starter...

Lets go through the list.

Andino, Robert + Orioles SS 66 .295 .340 .459 .273 1.556 .045 .197 .318 .424 831
Andrus, Elvis + Rangers SS 657 .265 .317 .301 .237 1.135 .097 .146 .335 .269 612
Aviles, Mike + Royals SS 448 .304 .327 .413 .288 1.357 .045 .109 .333 .391 786
Aybar, Erick # Angels SS 578 .253 .289 .330 .234 1.304 .061 .140 .294 .304 564
Barney, Darwin + Cubs SS 85 .241 .284 .291 .224 1.211 .071 .141 .294 .271 454
Bartlett, Jason + Devil Rays SS 521 .254 .299 .350 .228 1.378 .086 .159 .315 .315 621
Betancourt, Yuniesky + Royals SS 584 .259 .267 .405 .247 1.563 .039 .110 .286 .385 620
Betemit, Wilson # Royals SS 315 .297 .361 .511 .260 1.720 .114 .235 .375 .448 1099
Bocock, Brian + Phillies SS 5 .000 .000 .000 .000 ----- .000 .600 .000 .000 1
Brignac, Reid * Devil Rays SS 326 .256 .317 .385 .236 1.506 .061 .236 .298 .356 650
Cabrera, Asdrubal # Indians SS 414 .276 .318 .346 .254 1.257 .060 .145 .314 .319 629
Cabrera, Everth # Padres SS 233 .208 .274 .278 .189 1.341 .082 .232 .270 .253 435
Cabrera, Orlando + Reds SS 532 .263 .284 .354 .244 1.346 .053 .100 .297 .329 551
Castro, Juan + Dodgers SS 4 .000 .000 .000 .000 ----- .250 .500 .250 .000 136
Castro, Juan + Phillies SS 135 .198 .238 .238 .185 1.200 .052 .170 .237 .222 285
Castro, Starlin + Cubs SS 502 .300 .346 .408 .277 1.360 .058 .141 .335 .376 775
Cedeno, Ronny + Pirates SS 495 .256 .315 .382 .242 1.492 .046 .214 .289 .362 588
Ciriaco, Pedro + Pirates SS 6 .500 1.000 1.000 .500 2.000 .000 .500 .500 1.000 3587
Cora, Alex * Rangers SS 7 .286 .286 .286 .286 1.000 .000 .000 .286 .286 463
Cora, Alex * Mets SS 185 .207 .226 .278 .189 1.343 .054 .086 .243 .254 396
Crosby, Bobby + Pirates SS 173 .224 .279 .295 .202 1.314 .092 .191 .295 .266 479
Crosby, Bobby + Diamondbacks SS 14 .167 .250 .333 .143 2.000 .071 .357 .214 .286 266
Cruz, Luis + Brewers SS 17 .235 .267 .353 .235 1.500 .000 .118 .235 .353 473
Desmond, Ian + Nationals SS 565 .269 .317 .392 .250 1.461 .050 .193 .299 .365 649
Diaz, Argenis + Pirates SS 36 .242 .348 .273 .222 1.125 .083 .278 .306 .250 468
Donald, Jason + Indians SS 321 .253 .320 .378 .234 1.493 .069 .218 .302 .349 635
Drew, Stephen * Diamondbacks SS 631 .278 .321 .458 .249 1.650 .098 .171 .347 .410 916
Escobar, Alcides + Brewers SS 548 .235 .264 .326 .217 1.387 .066 .128 .283 .301 524
Escobar, Yunel + Blue Jays SS 259 .275 .296 .356 .251 1.292 .073 .100 .324 .324 704
Escobar, Yunel + Braves SS 299 .238 .270 .284 .207 1.194 .124 .104 .331 .247 541
Espinosa, Danny # Nationals SS 112 .214 .239 .447 .196 2.091 .080 .268 .277 .411 673
Everett, Adam + Tigers SS 86 .185 .234 .247 .174 1.333 .047 .209 .221 .233 260
Furcal, Rafael # Dodgers SS 426 .300 .338 .460 .270 1.530 .094 .141 .364 .413 963
Gonzalez, Alex + Braves SS 289 .240 .276 .386 .221 1.609 .048 .183 .270 .356 586
Gonzalez, Alex + Blue Jays SS 348 .259 .274 .497 .244 1.918 .049 .187 .293 .468 776
Green, Nick + Blue Jays SS 14 .154 .200 .154 .143 1.000 .071 .214 .214 .143 198
Green, Nick + Dodgers SS 9 .125 .167 .125 .111 1.000 .000 .222 .111 .111 186
Greene, Tyler + Cardinals SS 122 .221 .266 .327 .189 1.478 .107 .197 .295 .279 624
Guzman, Cristian # Rangers SS 49 .152 .194 .174 .143 1.143 .061 .204 .204 .163 193
Guzman, Cristian # Nationals SS 343 .282 .331 .361 .262 1.278 .050 .155 .312 .335 664
Hardy, J.J. + Twins SS 372 .268 .299 .394 .245 1.473 .075 .145 .320 .360 686
Hernandez, Diory + Braves SS 9 .111 .000 .444 .111 4.000 .000 .444 .111 .444 263
Hernandez, Luis # Mets SS 47 .250 .257 .409 .234 1.636 .043 .149 .277 .383 687
Hicks, Brandon + Braves SS 6 .000 .000 .000 .000 ----- .167 .333 .167 .000 62
Hu, Chin-lung + Dodgers SS 25 .130 .158 .174 .120 1.333 .000 .200 .120 .160 129
Izturis, Cesar # Orioles SS 506 .230 .257 .268 .215 1.165 .049 .105 .265 .251 407
Janish, Paul + Reds SS 225 .260 .283 .385 .231 1.481 .098 .133 .329 .342 727
Jeter, Derek + Yankees SS 738 .270 .307 .370 .243 1.369 .085 .144 .328 .332 713
Kelly, Don * Tigers SS 250 .244 .259 .374 .232 1.534 .032 .168 .264 .356 563
Lopez, Felipe # Cardinals SS 422 .231 .272 .340 .206 1.471 .102 .182 .308 .303 579
Lopez, Felipe # Red Sox SS 16 .267 .300 .467 .250 1.750 .063 .250 .313 .438 862
Lowrie, Jed # Red Sox SS 197 .287 .292 .526 .249 1.837 .127 .127 .376 .457 1139
Lugo, Julio + Orioles SS 258 .249 .314 .282 .233 1.133 .058 .194 .291 .264 484
Luna, Hector + Marlins SS 30 .138 .133 .379 .133 2.750 .000 .433 .133 .367 245
Manzella, Tommy + Astros SS 277 .225 .302 .264 .209 1.172 .047 .256 .256 .245 377
Martinez, Ozzie + Marlins SS 47 .326 .378 .465 .298 1.429 .085 .128 .383 .426 1000
McCoy, Mike + Blue Jays SS 90 .195 .258 .244 .178 1.250 .089 .222 .267 .222 345
McDonald, John + Blue Jays SS 161 .250 .260 .454 .236 1.816 .037 .161 .273 .429 647
Morse, Mike + Nationals SS 293 .289 .330 .519 .263 1.792 .075 .218 .338 .471 1050
Murphy, Donnie + Marlins SS 46 .318 .500 .705 .304 2.214 .043 .413 .348 .674 1337
Navarro, Oswaldo + Astros SS 25 .050 .063 .050 .040 1.000 .200 .160 .240 .040 156
Navarro, Yamaico + Red Sox SS 46 .143 .222 .143 .130 1.000 .043 .370 .174 .130 137
Nelson, Chris + Rockies SS 26 .280 .333 .320 .269 1.143 .038 .154 .308 .308 533
Nunez, Eduardo + Yankees SS 53 .280 .277 .360 .264 1.286 .057 .038 .321 .340 667
Ojeda, Augie # Diamondbacks SS 89 .190 .205 .228 .169 1.200 .090 .090 .258 .202 311
Pena, Ramiro # Yankees SS 163 .227 .271 .247 .215 1.086 .037 .166 .252 .233 354
Pennington, Cliff # Athletics SS 564 .250 .296 .368 .225 1.472 .089 .170 .314 .332 650
Plouffe, Trevor + Twins SS 42 .146 .154 .317 .143 2.167 .000 .333 .143 .310 225
Ramirez, Alexei + White Sox SS 619 .282 .300 .431 .267 1.527 .044 .132 .310 .407 740
Ramirez, Hanley + Marlins SS 619 .300 .327 .475 .263 1.583 .103 .150 .367 .417 1042
Ransom, Cody + Phillies SS 45 .190 .207 .333 .178 1.750 .067 .244 .244 .311 460
Renteria, Edgar + Giants SS 265 .276 .323 .374 .253 1.358 .079 .162 .332 .343 696
Reyes, Jose # Mets SS 599 .282 .301 .428 .265 1.516 .052 .105 .317 .402 758
Rollins, Jimmy # Phillies SS 394 .243 .246 .374 .216 1.541 .102 .081 .317 .332 663
Romero, Niuman # Red Sox SS 4 .000 .000 .000 .000 ----- .000 .000 .000 .000 1
Romine, Andrew # Angels SS 11 .091 .143 .091 .091 1.000 .000 .364 .091 .091 47
Ryan, Brendan + Cardinals SS 477 .223 .253 .294 .205 1.316 .069 .126 .275 .270 436
Sanchez, Angel + Astros SS 263 .280 .341 .348 .266 1.243 .042 .171 .308 .331 614
Sanchez, Angel + Red Sox SS 3 .000 .000 .000 .000 ----- .000 .000 .000 .000 1
Santiago, Ramon # Tigers SS 359 .263 .308 .325 .234 1.238 .084 .156 .318 .290 638
Scutaro, Marco + Red Sox SS 691 .275 .295 .388 .252 1.408 .077 .103 .329 .355 707
Sutton, Drew # Reds SS 3 .667 1.000 1.667 .667 2.500 .000 .333 .667 1.667 12079
Sutton, Drew # Indians SS 39 .222 .304 .333 .205 1.500 .077 .308 .282 .308 522
Tejada, Ruben + Mets SS 249 .213 .250 .282 .185 1.326 .088 .153 .273 .245 464
Theriot, Ryan + Cubs SS 410 .284 .319 .327 .268 1.155 .046 .112 .315 .310 592
Theriot, Ryan + Dodgers SS 223 .242 .276 .283 .215 1.167 .099 .126 .314 .251 529
Tolleson, Steve + Athletics SS 53 .286 .333 .408 .264 1.429 .075 .170 .340 .377 769
Tulowitzki, Troy + Rockies SS 528 .315 .327 .568 .280 1.804 .091 .148 .371 .506 1243
Valaika, Chris + Reds SS 39 .263 .321 .368 .256 1.400 .026 .231 .282 .359 570
Valdez, Wilson + Phillies SS 356 .258 .287 .360 .242 1.395 .059 .121 .301 .337 601
Vizquel, Omar # White Sox SS 384 .276 .309 .331 .247 1.200 .089 .117 .336 .297 650
Wilson, Jack + Mariners SS 206 .249 .298 .316 .233 1.271 .034 .170 .267 .296 455
Wilson, Josh + Mariners SS 388 .227 .280 .294 .211 1.293 .036 .191 .247 .273 441
Zawadzki, Lance # Padres SS 40 .200 .250 .257 .175 1.286 .125 .175 .300 .225 420

Now you tell me where Janish ranks as a Starter among all SS in the Majors. Defend your boy as a starter. Go~