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    Re: UCONN Women lose: 'The Streak' ends at 90

    Quote Originally Posted by *BaseClogger* View Post
    Serious discussion me and my friends had recently--could UCONN's womens basketball team defeat a Division III mens team?
    I'd say that's a fair question and depending on the makeup of the particular teams, might make a good matchup.
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    Re: UCONN Women lose: 'The Streak' ends at 90

    Quote Originally Posted by *BaseClogger* View Post
    Serious discussion me and my friends had recently--could UCONN's womens basketball team defeat a Division III mens team?
    Absolutely not. Men are stronger, tougher, can jump higher, are faster, are more athletic, etc. Its not a knock on anything other than an anatomy issue. The one thing that women's basketball has going from them is their fundamentals. But when you get to the lower divisions in mens basketball you see more fundamental teams.

    I would even venture to say this. UCONN's womens team couldn't beat a good high school team. Could you imagine UCONN playing against Jarrod Sullinger and co. last season? I remember a story years ago in SI about Tennessee's womens team and how they practiced against a team of male students. These males students gave UT everything they could handle and more.

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    Re: UCONN Women lose: 'The Streak' ends at 90

    Quote Originally Posted by Brutus the Pimp View Post
    Yet, you took the time to post about something that you call irrelevant.

    I don't like women's ball nearly as much as men's. But I cannot get over the total insecurity guys exhibit when it comes to discussing it. They go out of their way to tell people how meaningless it is, like they need some boost to their ego.

    Seriously... if you don't like it, you're in the majority. But what are you not getting in life that you have to waste space with these types of responses?
    I wouldn't call it irrelevant, but it does show something I've always believed when it comes to womens college basketball, the lack of overall parity.

    I can't speak for the Golden Era at UCLA because I was not alive during that time, but was the mens sport as watered down as what womens college basketball is today?

    It's basically UConn, occasionally Tennessee, and thats about it.
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    Amateur and professional women athletes need to take a page from horse-racing, where women athletes compete on an equal basis against men. There, where they aren't given any "handicaps", like they are given in most sports, they have shown to be equal in strength, stamina, ferocity, competitiveness, and talent as the men they compete against. They are as fun to root for (and against) as any man in their profession. Gender doesn't come one's mind when watching them, as it's all about the above things I mentioned. But, when a "handicap" is given, such as the fewer rounds or sets played, or the smaller basketball used, then the whole experience is tainted and a waste of time to watch. Women do themselves a disservice by not demanding that things be changed. They still act like it's 1890 in tennis. That's why nobody wants to watch. Most women tennis players are fat and out of shape. It's a joke. Women's basketball is a joke because they play with a smaller basketball. Women's golf is a joke because they play only 54 holes while playing a shorter course.

    Do women run an 80-meter dash? No. That would be ridiculous. But, it's no more ridiculous than playing with a smaller basketball. Why should amazonian women play with a smaller basketball than middle-school boys play with? Get serious about your sport and you'll draw a serious audience who cares.
    This is just an opinion but last night's game was basically unwatchable without the intrigue of a historic streak possibly coming to an end. If that was the best that woman's basketball has to offer, suggesting it's not very compelling is a major understatement. I'd rather play wii golf than watch that brand of basketball. As for taking the effort to buy a ticket and actually physically attending a a woman's basketball game, after watching last night's "showcase", it aint gonna happen.
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    Re: UCONN Women lose: 'The Streak' ends at 90

    Quote Originally Posted by bucksfan2 View Post
    Absolutely not. Men are stronger, tougher, can jump higher, are faster, are more athletic, etc. Its not a knock on anything other than an anatomy issue. The one thing that women's basketball has going from them is their fundamentals. But when you get to the lower divisions in mens basketball you see more fundamental teams.
    I even think the women's supposed superiority in the fundamentals is overblown. When I watch women's basketball (not often), I see an awful lot of bad passes, poor shot selection, turnovers, missed FTs and missed layups. Especially when you get down past the top 10 or so teams in the country.
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    Re: UCONN Women lose: 'The Streak' ends at 90

    They had a good run but I'm glad it's over. As has been already mentioned I was sick of seeing this on ESPN and for some reason I don't care for that Geno character.

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    Re: UCONN Women lose: 'The Streak' ends at 90

    I couldn't give less of a crap about women's college basketball, but to win 90 straight games in any sport is pretty darn impressive.

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    Re: UCONN Women lose: 'The Streak' ends at 90

    Quote Originally Posted by *BaseClogger* View Post
    Serious discussion me and my friends had recently--could UCONN's womens basketball team defeat a Division III mens team?
    it wouldnt even be close. a d3 team wins by 40+

    any HS w/ atleast 500 students in it would beat UCONN women. their tallest player is a 6ft 5in freshman center. they have 6 players under 6ft.

    even at the HS level at a school of 500 every player is gonna be 6ft tall atleast, and their gonna have multiple bigs over 6ft 4in.

    it would be a lot closer than against a D3 team b/c UCONN would be at a higher skill level but defensively a HS team is gonna have an advantage and offensively they will have shots against players they have 4+inches on.

    i think you gotta get down to little tiny HS teams that have an enrollment of like 200 until the women could win.


    and the game got a 1.5 tv rating. yeah it really had the attention of the Nation.
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    Re: UCONN Women lose: 'The Streak' ends at 90

    Quote Originally Posted by *BaseClogger* View Post
    Serious discussion me and my friends had recently--could UCONN's womens basketball team defeat a Division III mens team?
    It might be a good game. I remember reading that the Tennessee women's teams regularly scrimmage against fellow men students. And (from what I can recall, it was a while back), the men players had been good HS players but couldn't quite compete at the UT Div. 1 mens level. And they went at it pretty hard per directive of Pat Summit. Other women weren't really able to challenge the team.

    But I don't know how much Div. III guys play above the rim and that might be the difference. The women are very skilled in fundementals (maybe more than Div. 1 men), but lack the dynamic athleticism that men have. I think it would be a good ballgame. Maya Moore is the real deal and plays like a guy.

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    Re: UCONN Women lose: 'The Streak' ends at 90

    I resent ESPN cramming this down our throats. It didn't warrant all that coverage as their ratings proved. The competition in the women's game is severely lacking. The difference between the #10 womens team and the #1 is much greater than the same comparison in Div 1 men's.

    This record means as much to me as if someone won 90 straight arm wrestling matches

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    Good record, but I am scratching my head because I don't even think it's in the same league as the men's record. (and it is not by definition)

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    Re: UCONN Women lose: 'The Streak' ends at 90

    It is certainly impressive, but like others have said I think speaks more to the general weakness of the competition than the domination of UConn. However you do have to give credit to the program for year after year always being good.

    The coverage of it certainly was annoying though. Women's basketball is a third tier sport at best in most sport fans minds, but this was getting top billing. I wonder if there was a win streak for D3 Football or if a college wrestler or hockey team had a record win streak going what type of coverage it would get?

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    Re: UCONN Women lose: 'The Streak' ends at 90

    Quote Originally Posted by Roy Tucker View Post
    It might be a good game. I remember reading that the Tennessee women's teams regularly scrimmage against fellow men students. And (from what I can recall, it was a while back), the men players had been good HS players but couldn't quite compete at the UT Div. 1 mens level. And they went at it pretty hard per directive of Pat Summit. Other women weren't really able to challenge the team.

    But I don't know how much Div. III guys play above the rim and that might be the difference. The women are very skilled in fundementals (maybe more than Div. 1 men), but lack the dynamic athleticism that men have. I think it would be a good ballgame. Maya Moore is the real deal and plays like a guy.

    Most high-level women's D1 teams do this. Heck, a lot of high school varsity girls teams will scrimmage against fresman boys' teams in practice, if freshman boys' coaches ego will allow. And those generally provide decent practice settings if the kids take them seriously.

    And you're generally right about D3 men's basketball. Generally the skill level and "basketball IQ" of those kids is pretty high, but with a few exceptions, they aren't great athletes. And the one's who are good athletes tend to be fairly unskilled.

    There was a kid from the Dayton area a few years ago who went on to become a D3 All-American post at Wooster. Skill level, court awareness, hands, feet -- all off the charts. But he was only 6'4 and kinda bolted to the ground. I doubt if he could've grabbed the rim.

    The difference might be the one or two good athletes you might find on a D3 team that would beat the women's team on the glass. I doubt you'd see a ton of difference in the guards at UConn and the guards at Mt. St. Joe's or Wilmington or Centre.

    And for the record, I don't love women's college hoops but I will watch a good game every now and then because I'm a live sports junkie. I do enjoy the levl of competition that the upper echelon teams bring to the table and any good high school coach worth his salt will watch a women's game to steal offensive sets. That's probably the thing I like most about the women's game. They execute sets. Unlike the iso one-on-one garbarge that has largely trickled down from the NBA to the college game.
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    Re: UCONN Women lose: 'The Streak' ends at 90

    Quote Originally Posted by dabvu2498 View Post
    Wow. Just wow.

    You don't think the physiological differences between men and women might be the reason for the differences in their competitions?

    Women's tennis players are fat and out of shape? Man, I got nothing for you.

    I seriously hope this post was tongue in cheek, but somehow, I doubt it.
    You don't think the physiological differences between men and women might be the reason for the differences in their competitions?

    Do you? Are you saying that women are inferior to men when it comes to stamina and that's why they play best-of-three sets instead of best-of-five, and why they play three rounds of golf instead of four? I have a lot more appreciation for women athletes than that. There hasn't been a physical difference in stamina for decades between men and women when it comes to athletics.

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    Women's tennis players are fat and out of shape?

    Duh! Of course they are. Do you not watch professional women's tennis? When it takes 30 minutes to complete a match, where does stamina come into play and where does the energy spent come into play to offset the obvious calories that so many of them take in. There should not be a single fat woman playing professional tennis, but when you see the very best players, it has been commonplace for quite some time that they are fat and out of shape.

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    This certainly was not tongue-in-cheek. I meant every bit of the suggestion that women athletes get serious about their competitions if they want to be taken seriously in the sports world, while at the same time wanting to be paid the same as their male counterparts.

    Use the same size basketball (which is such a joke that they use a smaller basketball than a 13-year old boy uses who is just 5 feet tall).

    Play 4 rounds of golf.

    Play best-of-five sets in tennis.

    There's nothing physically different about women that they shouldn't be doing all three of these things.
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    Re: UCONN Women lose: 'The Streak' ends at 90

    Quote Originally Posted by Redsfan320 View Post
    I couldn't give less of a crap about women's college basketball, but to win 90 straight games in any sport is pretty darn impressive.

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