Turn Off Ads?
Page 5 of 10 FirstFirst 123456789 ... LastLast
Results 61 to 75 of 136

Thread: Reds Sign Fred Lewis

  1. #61
    BobC, get a legit F.O.! Mario-Rijo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Location
    Springfield, Ohio
    Posts
    9,052

    Re: Reds Sign Fred Lewis

    Quote Originally Posted by Edd Roush View Post
    Completely agree, IslandRed. Hermida has an uphill battle to make the 25 man roster. The only way he makes the Opening Day Roster, IMO, is if Lewis or Bruce get hurt in Spring Training. He will need to rake for a while in AAA for him to get the call. BTW, this signing is also a major boon to Lousiville. Their starters are now likely C Mesoraco, 1B Alonso, 2B Valaika, SS Cozart, 3B Francisco, LF Hermida, CF Sappelt, RF Barton. If Leake and Chapman start out in that rotation with Maloney like I want them to, that team could take 3 of 10 from the Pirates. That's some solid depth and that cannot be discounted.
    Just 3 out of 10?

    But seriously I could see Gomes missing the cut if he struggles mightily in Goodyear though that is tough to do for any offensive player. He too could get hurt as well opening the door for Hermida. But if he did I would like this OF a lot better...

    Lewis/Heisey LF
    Stubbs CF
    Bruce RF

    Hermida on the bench.
    "You can't let praise or criticism get to you. It's a weakness to get caught up in either one."

    --Woody Hayes

  2. Turn Off Ads?
  3. #62
    Two-Time Batting Champ Edd Roush's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2004
    Location
    Loveland, OH
    Posts
    3,047

    Re: Reds Sign Fred Lewis

    Quote Originally Posted by Mario-Rijo View Post
    Just 3 out of 10?

    But seriously I could see Gomes missing the cut if he struggles mightily in Goodyear though that is tough to do for any offensive player. He too could get hurt as well opening the door for Hermida. But if he did I would like this OF a lot better...

    Lewis/Heisey LF
    Stubbs CF
    Bruce RF

    Hermida on the bench.
    Mario, I usually agree with most of what you post, but I gotta disagree here. When Gomes is used correctly (ie strictly as a plattoon player vs left-handed pitching), he is a very valuable player. These numbers have been already posted, but I will repost them again for emphasis. Gomes is a .276/.371/.507 player against lefties. He murders them. That's a pretty legit sample size of 796 major league plate apearances. He has a lot of value against lefties. Now let's look at Heisey, in a very small sample size of 100 major league plate appearances, he has a .169/.242/.303 line against lefties. I know that's a small sample size, but woof. He absolutely cannot be counted on being a plattoon partner for Lewis with that line. I don't care how much he rakes in Spring Training. Unless Gomes gets hurt, he should be a lock for the Opening Day roster.

  4. #63
    Member Strikes Out Looking's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Location
    Maryland
    Posts
    2,458

    Re: Reds Sign Fred Lewis

    I like the move for a number of reasons that really have nothing to do with Fred Lewis:

    1. It was very cheap. The Reds will have salary room at mid-season to make a move if needed for a push if they need to make a Cliff Lee type trade.

    2. The Reds cupboard is still loaded. They didn't give up one prospect in a trade to get someone to leadoff, at least part of the time. There are still prospective lead off hitters coming up in the system -- this deal gives them more time to develop.

    3. Walt continues to build for the long term. Even if the Reds take a step back in '11, they have a strong nucleus going forward -- unlike the Brewers who are all or nothing in '11 and the Cardinals who are trying to stay strong as long as 'la Genius blesses them with his presence.
    Hacktastic: The Story of the 2014 Cincinnati Reds

  5. #64
    Vavasor TRF's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2000
    Location
    Amarillo, TX
    Posts
    13,439

    Re: Reds Sign Fred Lewis

    In 50 games and 107 AB's as a LF, Laynce Nix posted this line: .308 .362 .495 .857

    overall vs RH's it was .289 .346 .450 .795 in 83 games and 149 AB's.

    And yet, it was not a strict platoon was it?

    Why do we think all of a sudden it will be now?
    Suck it up cupcake.

  6. #65
    BobC, get a legit F.O.! Mario-Rijo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Location
    Springfield, Ohio
    Posts
    9,052

    Re: Reds Sign Fred Lewis

    Quote Originally Posted by Edd Roush View Post
    Mario, I usually agree with most of what you post, but I gotta disagree here. When Gomes is used correctly (ie strictly as a plattoon player vs left-handed pitching), he is a very valuable player. These numbers have been already posted, but I will repost them again for emphasis. Gomes is a .276/.371/.507 player against lefties. He murders them. That's a pretty legit sample size of 796 major league plate apearances. He has a lot of value against lefties. Now let's look at Heisey, in a very small sample size of 100 major league plate appearances, he has a .169/.242/.303 line against lefties. I know that's a small sample size, but woof. He absolutely cannot be counted on being a plattoon partner for Lewis with that line. I don't care how much he rakes in Spring Training. Unless Gomes gets hurt, he should be a lock for the Opening Day roster.
    I don't completely disagree with you on this actually. My thought process on Heisey (and for that matter my hope for Hermida as well though not sure his issues completely) is that if he gets his swing mechanics right he is a completely different producer than what we have seen. He is likely a 20/20 guy or better who has a line something like BP has had only with more IsoD (more walks and thus a higher OBP%) and of course I think he is a good defender and baserunner.

    If Heisey doesn't get his swing mechanics right then he should be at best what he was last season if he can even beat out Hermida/Barton/Sappelt/Perez etc.
    "You can't let praise or criticism get to you. It's a weakness to get caught up in either one."

    --Woody Hayes

  7. #66
    BobC, get a legit F.O.! Mario-Rijo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Location
    Springfield, Ohio
    Posts
    9,052

    Re: Reds Sign Fred Lewis

    Quote Originally Posted by TRF View Post
    In 50 games and 107 AB's as a LF, Laynce Nix posted this line: .308 .362 .495 .857

    overall vs RH's it was .289 .346 .450 .795 in 83 games and 149 AB's.

    And yet, it was not a strict platoon was it?

    Why do we think all of a sudden it will be now?
    Well because unlike Nix Lewis has a different role on the team, Nix was just a better defending version of Gomes from the left side. Another thing, I have always felt one thing Dusty cannot stand is a lack of contact and Nix was probably even worse at that than Gomes is, Lewis is not. I don't know their K numbers but I think Dusty recognized that Nix had bigger holes in his swing than Gomes whereas Gomes was just less disciplined and therefore had a slight advantage in making contact. Easier to be disciplined than to sew up that big 'ole hole one has.
    Last edited by Mario-Rijo; 01-11-2011 at 09:17 AM.
    "You can't let praise or criticism get to you. It's a weakness to get caught up in either one."

    --Woody Hayes

  8. #67
    Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2003
    Location
    Shelburne Falls, MA
    Posts
    10,125

    Re: Reds Sign Fred Lewis

    And yet, it was not a strict platoon was it?
    It was going in that direction. Around the time Nix sprained his ankle, Baker was talking about getting him more ABs. Then they got Edmonds, and he was getting some ABs over Gomes -- until he got hurt.

    Why do we think all of a sudden it will be now?
    I think they'll platoon Gomes more often than not because he took a steep dive vs righties in the latter part of the year, played iffy defense, and the team lacks punch off the bench.
    "Baseball is a very, very complex business. It's more of a people business than most businesses." - Bob Castellini

  9. #68
    Vavasor TRF's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2000
    Location
    Amarillo, TX
    Posts
    13,439

    Re: Reds Sign Fred Lewis

    Quote Originally Posted by Mario-Rijo View Post
    Well because unlike Nix Lewis has a different role on the team, Nix was just a better defending version of Gomes from the left side. Another thing, I have always felt one thing Dusty cannot stand is a lack of contact and Nix was probably even worse at that than Gomes is, Lewis is not.
    .289 BA vs RH pitching in 2010

    That doesn't suggest a lack of contact. His 2010 overall numbers: .291 .350 .455 .805

    And he's a better defender than Lewis.

    The problem was, Dusty did not use them as a strict platoon. Of course, Nix was nicked up a bit last year, but give him 350-400 AB's against RH pitching, and he's be fine.
    Suck it up cupcake.

  10. #69
    Box of Frogs edabbs44's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    NJ
    Posts
    16,297

    Re: Reds Sign Fred Lewis

    Quote Originally Posted by TRF View Post
    In 50 games and 107 AB's as a LF, Laynce Nix posted this line: .308 .362 .495 .857

    overall vs RH's it was .289 .346 .450 .795 in 83 games and 149 AB's.

    And yet, it was not a strict platoon was it?

    Why do we think all of a sudden it will be now?
    You broke down Gomes' monthly production yesterday, have you seen Nix's?

    April - .638
    May - .852
    June - .457
    July - 1.304
    August - .859
    Sept - .730

    He started seeing more time in August, then got hurt. But did he really do much before the 2nd half to warrant any kind of playing time?

    1st half line - .234/.268/.411

  11. #70
    Two-Time Batting Champ Edd Roush's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2004
    Location
    Loveland, OH
    Posts
    3,047

    Re: Reds Sign Fred Lewis

    Quote Originally Posted by edabbs44 View Post
    You broke down Gomes' monthly production yesterday, have you seen Nix's?

    April - .638
    May - .852
    June - .457
    July - 1.304
    August - .859
    Sept - .730

    He started seeing more time in August, then got hurt. But did he really do much before the 2nd half to warrant any kind of playing time?

    1st half line - .234/.268/.411

    Beat me to the point, edabbs. To add to it, Nix has a career .251/.293/.445 line against righties in 1264 plate appearances. Last year's July was just a blip of success in a small sample size over a very mediocre (and poor OBP) career. Give me Lewis's .280/.354/.442 every day. In addition, Lewis will likely get a bump in those aggregate stats for playing in GABP. I wouldn't be surprised with a .285/.360/.450 line from him next year. Sounds like a lead-off hitter to me.

  12. #71
    Vavasor TRF's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2000
    Location
    Amarillo, TX
    Posts
    13,439

    Re: Reds Sign Fred Lewis

    Quote Originally Posted by edabbs44 View Post
    You broke down Gomes' monthly production yesterday, have you seen Nix's?

    April - .638
    May - .852
    June - .457
    July - 1.304
    August - .859
    Sept - .730

    He started seeing more time in August, then got hurt. But did he really do much before the 2nd half to warrant any kind of playing time?

    1st half line - .234/.268/.411
    Sure. I see a total package here. I see a better defender than Gomes or Lewis. I see a strict platoon player too. You want to break it down by halfs like I did with Gomes, BUT Gomes got 511 AB's. and he sucked for 2/3 of those AB's. Here is his line for 346 AB's: .257 .301 .408 .709. Y-A-W-N.

    Now you might see the issue. Nix was better than Lewis against RH pitching. He's a better defender. Why would anyone think Gomes is going to get less than 500 AB's after Jocketty signed a player that isn't as good as who he is letting walk?
    Suck it up cupcake.

  13. #72
    Vavasor TRF's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2000
    Location
    Amarillo, TX
    Posts
    13,439

    Re: Reds Sign Fred Lewis

    Quote Originally Posted by Edd Roush View Post
    Beat me to the point, edabbs. To add to it, Nix has a career .251/.293/.445 line against righties in 1264 plate appearances. Last year's July was just a blip of success in a small sample size over a very mediocre (and poor OBP) career. Give me Lewis's .280/.354/.442 every day. In addition, Lewis will likely get a bump in those aggregate stats for playing in GABP. I wouldn't be surprised with a .285/.360/.450 line from him next year. Sounds like a lead-off hitter to me.
    To be fair, Nix has been an injury prone player. That may have played into Jocketty's decision to let him walk.

    Past that, I still see Gomes getting 500+ AB's in 2010. It won't matter one bit what Hermida or Lewis do in ST. Gomes is the starter. oh. joy.
    Suck it up cupcake.

  14. #73
    BobC, get a legit F.O.! Mario-Rijo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Location
    Springfield, Ohio
    Posts
    9,052

    Re: Reds Sign Fred Lewis

    Quote Originally Posted by TRF View Post
    Sure. I see a total package here. I see a better defender than Gomes or Lewis. I see a strict platoon player too. You want to break it down by halfs like I did with Gomes, BUT Gomes got 511 AB's. and he sucked for 2/3 of those AB's. Here is his line for 346 AB's: .257 .301 .408 .709. Y-A-W-N.

    Now you might see the issue. Nix was better than Lewis against RH pitching. He's a better defender. Why would anyone think Gomes is going to get less than 500 AB's after Jocketty signed a player that isn't as good as who he is letting walk?
    Nix isn't a leadoff hitter, and we need one. Now you can debate the statistics but it's my opinion that Dusty sees a leadoff hitter a certain way and Lewis fits in that idea and Nix doesn't come close.
    "You can't let praise or criticism get to you. It's a weakness to get caught up in either one."

    --Woody Hayes

  15. #74
    breath westofyou's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2000
    Location
    PDX
    Posts
    42,808

    Re: Reds Sign Fred Lewis

    I wish I could tell the future, but I can't.

    However I like this move and have faith that they know that Gomes is not a 500PA a year player.

  16. #75
    Two-Time Batting Champ Edd Roush's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2004
    Location
    Loveland, OH
    Posts
    3,047

    Re: Reds Sign Fred Lewis

    Quote Originally Posted by TRF View Post
    Past that, I still see Gomes getting 500+ AB's in 2010.
    I really don't believe this will happen. Walt wouldn't bring in two corner outfielders and give them a chance to compete for a major league job if Gomes was a lock for 500 ABs. The only reason he got so many PAs last year was injuries to Nix and Edmonds.

    Speaking of Edmonds, does this signing signal the end of the Jim Edmonds era in Cincinnati? I would still love him back as a coach, but there is no room any more for him as a player.


Turn Off Ads?

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

Board Moderators may, at their discretion and judgment, delete and/or edit any messages that violate any of the following guidelines: 1. Explicit references to alleged illegal or unlawful acts. 2. Graphic sexual descriptions. 3. Racial or ethnic slurs. 4. Use of edgy language (including masked profanity). 5. Direct personal attacks, flames, fights, trolling, baiting, name-calling, general nuisance, excessive player criticism or anything along those lines. 6. Posting spam. 7. Each person may have only one user account. It is fine to be critical here - that's what this board is for. But let's not beat a subject or a player to death, please.

Thank you, and most importantly, enjoy yourselves!


RedsZone.com is a privately owned website and is not affiliated with the Cincinnati Reds or Major League Baseball


Contact us: Boss | GIK | BCubb2003 | dabvu2498 | Gallen5862 | LexRedsFan | Plus Plus | RedlegJake | redsfan1995 | The Operator | Tommyjohn25