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    15 Most Lopsided Trades NOT in the Reds' Favor

    We touched on this topic in the 'good trades' thread, but here are Fay's picks:

    Frank Robinson

    Paul Konerko

    David Wells

    Paul O'Niell

    John Wettland

    Jeff Montgomery

    Mike Caldwell

    Tony Perez

    Hal McRae

    Mike Cuellar

    Curt Flood

    Joe Adcock

    Hank Sauer

    Dolf Luque

    Christy Mathewson

    So what do you think?

    http://cincinnati.com/blogs/reds/201...he-reds-favor/

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    Re: 15 Most Lopsided Trades NOT in the Reds' Favor

    What do I think? I think it's a horrible list that didn't consider the context of each move. Don't get me wrong--the majority of them were bad moves--but the top-15 worst trades in Reds history? I'm not even convinced all of them were bad trades in general. What the heck is wrong with trading Paul Konerko for Mike Cameron?

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    Re: 15 Most Lopsided Trades NOT in the Reds' Favor

    Osteen for Dave Sisler ought to make the list, IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by camisadelgolf View Post
    What do I think? I think it's a horrible list that didn't consider the context of each move. Don't get me wrong--the majority of them were bad moves--but the top-15 worst trades in Reds history? I'm not even convinced all of them were bad trades in general. What the heck is wrong with trading Paul Konerko for Mike Cameron?
    Right.
    The Wells deal was a salary dump.
    Everybody who saw what Paul O'Neil was going to turn into in 1993 raise your hand.....yeah, neither did I.

    Almost all the others can be divided into...
    The reds traded youngster that they had no idea was going to develop.
    OR
    The reds traded excess that they didn't need/couldn't use for something they needed.
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    Re: 15 Most Lopsided Trades NOT in the Reds' Favor

    Quote Originally Posted by camisadelgolf View Post
    What do I think? I think it's a horrible list that didn't consider the context of each move. Don't get me wrong--the majority of them were bad moves--but the top-15 worst trades in Reds history? I'm not even convinced all of them were bad trades in general. What the heck is wrong with trading Paul Konerko for Mike Cameron?
    Traded the wrong guy. IMO should have been Casey.

    I know its hotly debated but on MY list would be Hamilton for Volquez.

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    Re: 15 Most Lopsided Trades NOT in the Reds' Favor

    Ray Knight to the Astros for Cesar Cedeno.

    Tom Seaver back to the Mets for Charlie Puleo.

    No mention of Cameron and Tomko for Griffey?
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    Not exactly a trade, but exposing Hoffman to the expansion draft to keep an overpaid Browning wasn't the best move ever on the personnel front.
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    Re: 15 Most Lopsided Trades NOT in the Reds' Favor

    As far as results were concerned, Cameron for Griffey was a bad trade.

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    Re: 15 Most Lopsided Trades NOT in the Reds' Favor

    A couple that aren't mentioned.

    Milt Wilcox for Ted Uhlaender

    Charlie Leibrandt for Bob Tufts.

    Cody Ross for a small amount of cash.

    These were baseball deals and not just money deal which is what makes them so bad even if these aren't big names like some of the others.
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    Re: 15 Most Lopsided Trades NOT in the Reds' Favor

    Quote Originally Posted by mth123 View Post
    A couple that aren't mentioned.

    Milt Wilcox for Ted Uhlaender

    Charlie Leibrandt for Bob Tufts.

    Cody Ross for a small amount of cash.

    These were baseball deals and not just money deal which is what makes them so bad even if these aren't big names like some of the others.
    Losing King Kelly, Ken Williams, Johnny Mize and George McQuinn all trump those losses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou View Post
    Losing King Kelly, Ken Williams, Johnny Mize and George McQuinn all trump those losses.
    Yep.
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    Re: 15 Most Lopsided Trades NOT in the Reds' Favor

    Quote Originally Posted by Cooper View Post
    As far as results were concerned, Cameron for Griffey was a bad trade.
    Cameron, the steroid user? Better than Griffey? Nah.
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    Re: 15 Most Lopsided Trades NOT in the Reds' Favor

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Borkowski View Post
    We touched on this topic in the 'good trades' thread, but here are Fay's picks:


    Paul Konerko

    David Wells
    That's odd. I think Paul Konerko for Cameron was one of the best trades in recent Reds history (my lifetime).

    David Wells was an expensive mercenary, who was overweight and a bit of a risk.. That's why the Reds were able to get him from Detroit for very little.
    If you look at the context, the Reds were able to make the money work to go for it in 1995.. Then we couldn't afford him and had to shed payroll.
    Seems very comparable to Danny Neagle getting dumped, the only difference is that Neagle stunk after he left Cincy.
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    Re: 15 Most Lopsided Trades NOT in the Reds' Favor

    Quote Originally Posted by bucksfan2 View Post
    Traded the wrong guy. IMO should have been Casey.

    I know its hotly debated but on MY list would be Hamilton for Volquez.
    I agree, Hamilton for Volquez should make the list. But in Fay's defense, he probably doesn't want to put a current Reds' player on the bad list
    Thank you Walt and Bob for going for it in 2010-2014!

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    Re: 15 Most Lopsided Trades NOT in the Reds' Favor

    Hamilton for Volquez wouldn't even sniff my top 30 list. I thought (and still do) it was a good trade for the Reds.
    I miss Adam Dunn.


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