Last edited by top6; 02-23-2011 at 07:10 PM.
Don't get me wrong, though, it's a tough case, and the prosecution did present a very strong circumstantial case, and that is permitted. (A lot of people don't understand that.) Your arguments are actually much more persuasive to me than other arguments that are being made, and the point you raised earlier about the difficulty in defining "reasonable doubt" is a good one. By the term's very nature, I think each juror has to apply the "reasonable doubt" standard in their own way, and your way and my way may be just as valid.
Well written. The only thing I disagree with is that IMO the prosecution did put forth a good bit of evidence. Inconsistent statements from the defendant and injuries to her neck which is all it would take to kill her. I can't think of anything else they could possibly come up with.
I am amazed that the public is so split on this whereas three juries have voted 34-2 to convict.
I think what Atomic Dumpling said has a lot of merit to it. My mom grew up in Warren County and we had a family friend who was involved in local politics up there. Both made mention of how corrupt the place was.
I am going to say this and I have no proof whatsoever, but it would not surprise me in the least to see a prosecution testifier being charged of perjury. And it wouldn't surprise me at all if we found the prosecution team had broken some laws as well. They seemed to go very aggressively at Widmer and it wouldn't surprise me at all if they pushed the issue a little too far.
I also think that after the first juror misconduct and the second hung jury the trial should have been moved to a different location. The issue for me is that every citizen is guaranteed a fair trial, and I don't believe Widmer got that the 3rd time around. You would be hard pressed to prove to me that any of the jurors didn't know about the trial and have an opinion going into the trial. IMO if you move it somewhere like Toledo, Columbus, Cleveland, etc. or even somewhere into Indiana then you would have had a better chance at a fair trial.
All this talk about Warren County jurors being pro-prosecution (which may be true) and Warren County being corrupt is pretty beside the point, since it was Widmer's attorneys that opposed the prosecution's request to move the trial outside of Warren County.
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I've been on a couple Warren County juries and what Atomic Dumpling said (from a jury standpoint) is pretty much true.
I was foreman for one of the trials and I almost had to yank people up by their collars to consider the cases presented and the evidence. Most everyone made their minds up the first time they saw the defendent and said "she's a briar and looks guilty, that's all I need". I felt like Henry Fonda from 12 Angry Men.
It certainly made me pause to wonder who the hell these idiot people were that lived in my county. Having not served on any other juries besides Warren Co. ones, I didn't know if all the idiots in the world had moved there or if this was just how most juries are.
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And by the way, nowhere in the Warren County Court or Mason Muni Court online records is any evidence of Ryan Widmer being charged with Domestic Violence or anything related.
When all is said and done more is said than done.
And I have to say, the fact that Warren County detectives apparently gossip about murder investigations with their high school/college age nephews, who then go onto very popular local message boards to state that they will reveal that gossip after a case "would hurry up and be official," doesn't actually do a lot to dispel what people are saying about the corruption and ignorance in Warren County.
I mean, am I the only one who finds this thread odd? "3rd time is a charm?" Posted by the nephew of a detective in a murder case? After a trial where someone is going to jail for the rest of their life, and where the lead detective's credibility was seriously called into serious question, to the point where he is currently being investigated by the trustees of Hamilton Township? I just don't get what is going on here.