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    Gomes in LF...again.

    Looks like Fred Lewis won't be starting much, if at all.

    That's a shame, IMO. He would have given the team another LH bat, better defense in LF, along with good speed and decent OBP at lead-off.

    Instead we get Gomes in LF, with Stubbs (or Bruce) leading off.

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    Re: Gomes in LF...again.

    That looks like your Opening Day starting regulars right there.
    Zero chance the Reds miss the playoffs!

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    Re: Gomes in LF...again.

    So Gomes should just be benched after having a career year last year? Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigggggggggggggghhhhh hhhhhttttttttttttttttttt.

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    Re: Gomes in LF...again.

    Quote Originally Posted by will5979 View Post
    So Gomes should just be benched after having a career year last year? Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigggggggggggggghhhhh hhhhhttttttttttttttttttt.
    And it wasn't that great, so would it not be wiser to go with better players?

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    Re: Gomes in LF...again.

    Really he had 2 good months, May and Sept.


    April 20 60 9 13 1 1 2 12 3 16 0 1 .217 .254 .367 .620
    May 25 88 16 32 7 1 5 22 10 24 1 0 .364 .420 .636 1.056
    June 27 90 6 22 8 0 2 17 3 23 0 1 .244 .304 .400 .704
    July 25 96 15 23 2 0 4 14 5 18 2 1 .240 .288 .385 .674
    August 23 70 15 16 2 0 2 6 12 14 0 0 .229 .357 .343 .700
    September 25 96 15 27 4 1 3 14 6 22 1 0 .281 .330 .438 .768
    October 3 11 1 3 0 0 0 1 0 6 1 0 .273 .273 .273 .545

    http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/...0m5o98aVmFCLcF

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    Re: Gomes in LF...again.

    Quote Originally Posted by will5979 View Post
    So Gomes should just be benched after having a career year last year? Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigggggggggggggghhhhh hhhhhttttttttttttttttttt.
    Gomes' "career year" was worth -0.1 WAR, per Fangraphs. So, yes, he should be benched unless a lefty is on the mound.
    Last edited by signalhome; 03-11-2011 at 12:20 PM. Reason: Grammatical error

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    Re: Gomes in LF...again.

    Quote Originally Posted by signalhome View Post
    Gomes' "career year" was worth -0.1 WAR, per Fangraphs. So, yes, he should be benched unless a lefty is on the mound.
    Do you really think Fred Lewis is going to hit 18 homeruns and drive in 86 rbis? You all are quick to forget he was one of the reasons we won 91 games last year plus winning the Central, I never will forget that look on his face after driving in a crucial run in a game vs. StL last June.

    FWIW none of this would be debated if the Reds would have been smart enough to hang on to Adam Dunn in LF...

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    Re: Gomes in LF...again.

    Nobody thinks Fred Lewis is going to hit 18 home runs or drive in 86. Fred Lewis contributes in other ways with better defense and more speed and on base skills. Gomes hits lefties very well and is a great piece of the team when used effectively. However, he should not play consistently against righties when he doesn't hit them well and then compounds that with poor defense. I love Gomes' effort and the spark that he brings to the team, but he has some weaknesses, so Dusty needs to utilize him properly

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    Re: Gomes in LF...again.

    Quote Originally Posted by brm7675 View Post
    And it wasn't that great, so would it not be wiser to go with better players?
    Exactly. Especially when you look at how putrid his second half was.

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    Re: Gomes in LF...again.

    The failure to upgrade LF is probably the one weak link on the team.
    "I can't take this homerism anymore." - 10xWSChamps, August 11, 2010. A Cardinals fan having a problem with all the homerism on Redszone. Classic.

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    Re: Gomes in LF...again.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hillsdale87 View Post
    Nobody thinks Fred Lewis is going to hit 18 home runs or drive in 86. Fred Lewis contributes in other ways with better defense and more speed and on base skills. Gomes hits lefties very well and is a great piece of the team when used effectively. However, he should not play consistently against righties when he doesn't hit them well and then compounds that with poor defense. I love Gomes' effort and the spark that he brings to the team, but he has some weaknesses, so Dusty needs to utilize him properly
    Exactly. Gomes is a very good option against lefties. Lewis is a good option against righties. I see absolutely no reason to ever start either of them against a pitcher of same-handedness.

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    Re: Gomes in LF...again.

    Quote Originally Posted by BigJohn View Post
    Really he had 2 good months, May and Sept.


    April 20 60 9 13 1 1 2 12 3 16 0 1 .217 .254 .367 .620
    May 25 88 16 32 7 1 5 22 10 24 1 0 .364 .420 .636 1.056
    June 27 90 6 22 8 0 2 17 3 23 0 1 .244 .304 .400 .704
    July 25 96 15 23 2 0 4 14 5 18 2 1 .240 .288 .385 .674
    August 23 70 15 16 2 0 2 6 12 14 0 0 .229 .357 .343 .700
    September 25 96 15 27 4 1 3 14 6 22 1 0 .281 .330 .438 .768
    October 3 11 1 3 0 0 0 1 0 6 1 0 .273 .273 .273 .545

    http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/...0m5o98aVmFCLcF

    It's a good thing they average those things out

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    Re: Gomes in LF...again.

    Quote Originally Posted by malcontent View Post
    He would have given the team another LH bat, better defense in LF
    He has a lower zone rating and Fpct than Gomes for LF. He also has less assists per attempt

    Lewis is not the answer in LF, the answer needs to come from the minors or a trade.

    But Gomes is good enough, I think only 2 or 3 LF in the NL out preformed him last season. Yes his streakiness is maddening, but once averaged over a season he put up good numbers

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    Re: Gomes in LF...again.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vottomatic View Post
    The failure to upgrade LF is probably the one weak link on the team.
    I think a paring of Gomes and Lewis if used right is an upgrade. The problem is our mananger doesn't understand that.

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    Re: Gomes in LF...again.

    Quote Originally Posted by Krawhitham View Post
    He has a lower zone rating and Fpct than Gomes for LF. He also has less assists per attempt

    Lewis is not the answer in LF, the answer needs to come from the minors or a trade.

    But Gomes is good enough, I think only 2 or 3 LF in the NL out preformed him last season. Yes his streakiness is maddening, but once averaged over a season he put up good numbers
    Not to sound rude..but what kool aide are you drinking? Gomes was one of the worse overall LF in the game last year. He had 2 great months and the rest wouldn't even get you playing time in AAA. His defense is nothing short of scary on a good day. This whole "team chemistry" is crap, to think a Full time LF of Gomes over a platoon of Gomes and Lewis is better is down right laughable. Gomes should NEVER see the playing field after the 7th inning in close game and should not see anywhere near the playing time he did last year.

    Right now, I would rather play that young kid Sappet (spelling) who is tearing it up in ST and let him mature in the show over a full time of Gomes.


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