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    Trade idea

    I know this is a mid summer discussion, but please allow me to go there anyway. This team as we all know has a huge hole in left field. There is a great chance that the Cleveland Indians will be out of the AL central race come trade deadline time. Shin Soo Choo has eluded to the point with the korean media that he wants out of cleveland and though he and the indians agreed on a one year deal it appears at this point that he wont be a long term indian. So the question is this.

    What would you give up for a guy who is a all star type outfielder who is still only 28 (29 in July)? I'm a big believer in windows. You have certain windows where you can compete for it all. Choo is the missing part of this offense. I'd give a huge payback for choo, enough to make it well worth the indians time in doing a deal. Beyond that the indians are the ones behind the eightball as a long term deal with choo and scott boras is unlikely. If the Reds can do a deal, cordero' contact comes off the books and u have an extra what 13mill to sign choo to a long term contract and chapman. Slides over to closer. What do you all think?
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    Re: Trade idea

    I love the idea, but what is the cost? And can you sign him considering Boras is the agent? I'll see what happens to Gomes this year with a full chance. Hopefully Sappelt keeps going in AAA, and then the point would be moot.

    Sappelt gives us a leadoff guy and I hope better glove in left. Then we have Cordero's salary to use to sign everyone else on this team to another year.

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    i certainly wouldn't be opposed to a Chooooo, Dreeewwww, and Bruuuuuuce outfield.

    The only problem is that I don't think we match up too well as trading partners with the Indians. Our biggest trade chips play 1B and C, the Indians have Matt Laporta and Carlos Santana filling those positions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by knoonan991 View Post
    i certainly wouldn't be opposed to a Chooooo, Dreeewwww, and Bruuuuuuce outfield.

    The only problem is that I don't think we match up too well as trading partners with the Indians. Our biggest trade chips play 1B and C, the Indians have Matt Laporta and Carlos Santana filling those positions.

    I agree as far as catcher position goes, but Laporta has been a bust so far and didn't do
    anything this spring to change anyone's opinions batting below .200

    Alonzo is actually a better fit in the AL as he'd be a great candidate to dh. I don't know what kind of trade value some of the young guys like Heisey has around the league but I would add him, Leake, Francisco or any multitde of guys. I think what Sappelt did this spring is great, but as you said he needs to prove it in triple a on an everyday basis. I'm not sure they have the ammunition to get it done either but I would love to see them try.

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    Quote Originally Posted by knoonan991 View Post
    i certainly wouldn't be opposed to a Chooooo, Dreeewwww, and Bruuuuuuce outfield.

    The only problem is that I don't think we match up too well as trading partners with the Indians. Our biggest trade chips play 1B and C, the Indians have Matt Laporta and Carlos Santana filling those positions.
    Other then Hanny and Mes I dont think we are that deep at true quality catchers.
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    A lot depends on how Alonso plays over the next few months. If he is OPSing .900 or better (not unrealistic) teams will be burning the phone lines trying to pry him away. A package built around Alonso that includes a few other prospects could do it given that Choo will be getting very expensive very soon.

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    I proposed picking up Choo multiple times late last season. He has an outstanding OBP, and hits for both average and power, and has speed. He is perfect for a leadoff guy. And I saw him throw a Reds runner out from RF last year........strong arm.
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    Re: Trade idea

    Choo's a right fielder. I like the guy too, but I wouldn't want to pick him up and ask him to switch positions half-way through the season and learn a new one. If the team is going to trade talent, they should get a guy who is ready to immediately step into left.

    Otherwise stick with the Gomes/Lewis/Heisey options for 2011 and let Sappelt develop for a full season in Louisville.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tadasimha View Post
    Choo's a right fielder. I like the guy too, but I wouldn't want to pick him up and ask him to switch positions half-way through the season and learn a new one. If the team is going to trade talent, they should get a guy who is ready to immediately step into left.

    Otherwise stick with the Gomes/Lewis/Heisey options for 2011 and let Sappelt develop for a full season in Louisville.
    Choo has played every OF spot at some point in his career. He has played plenty of games in LF and even CF. The transition to LF would be extremely easy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pony Boy View Post
    Choo has played every OF spot at some point in his career. He has played plenty of games in LF and even CF. The transition to LF would be extremely easy.
    He's still primarily a right fielder and it takes time to really settle in to a new position. Remember two seasons ago when the Cubs decided to turn Kosuke Fukudome (a right fielder) into their center fielder so Milton Bradley could be their RF. It took Fukudome the first half of the season (even with a full spring training in center) to look close to comfortable and he was no where near as good a CF as a RF even by the end of the season.

    Again - bringing in a guy and asking him to switch mid-summer is not the best idea. No matter how good the athlete, it takes some adjustment time.
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    Re: Trade idea

    Quote Originally Posted by bounty37h View Post
    Other then Hanny and Mes I dont think we are that deep at true quality catchers.
    What are you talking about? Name me another team that has as much depth at the position as the Reds.
    Hanigan and Hernandez are the best platoon in baseball. Corky Miller isn't a trade piece by any stretch of the imagination, but if someone goes down, he does outstanding work behind the plate as a second catcher.
    Then you have 2 elite prospects starting at AAA and AA.
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    Hernandez isn't getting traded this season. He's too important to our Spanish-speaking pitching staff to be taken out midseason, and Mesoraco has too much to learn in AAA.

    If we tried, we could pry away Choo with the right prospects. Alonso, Sappelt, and Grandal might get it done, but at what cost? Does this mean we can't resign Phillips or Votto when the time rolls around? The truth is that we remain a small-market team, and we can't afford him, especially when we have Francisco, Heisey, Alonso, Sappelt, and Frazier in the wings. If just one of them breaks out this season, we have our LF answer for the next 4-5 years for the league minimum.

    Do we really have to call this our window? If we play all our cards right, nearly all of our homegrown talent will remain Reds for the next 5-6 years. A few of them will be career Reds. Having kids that are able come out to the games wearing Jay Bruce t-shirts year after year does incredible things for attendance and the Cincinnati baseball community. We can be the St. Louis of the 2010's, the small market team with big market attendance.

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    Re: Trade idea

    I've been in favor of getting Choo if possible for a long time. Great player with great character. I can see us getting him in a deadline move, as he is out of contract at the end of this season and has said that he wants to move to a contender. Cleveland will not risk getting nothing for him, so he will be a classic "rent a player" for the stretch drive and post season. It will all come down to which contender needs/wants him the most. Depends on injuries and other factors, but I can see it happening. PS Choo seems to be a clutch player, as he has come up very big for Korea in big games vs. Japan I believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bounty37h View Post
    Other then Hanny and Mes I dont think we are that deep at true quality catchers.
    I mean, if you have two "true quality catchers" and anyone else with a pulse available, you have a pretty darn good catching situation.

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    Re: Trade idea

    Again, I pushed this idea last year to no avail. At the time, everyone was crying about his Korean Army obligation.

    Switching positions from RF to LF is hard? Give me a break. Dude has played all of the OF positions in his career. If he were strictly one position all the time, then it might be difficult. But he has experience at all of them.

    Can you imagine the defense of our OF with Choo in LF, Stubbs in CF, Bruce in RF? Can you imagine our offense with Choo and his .380 OBP leading off, and potential to hit 20 HR's? It would be sweet.
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