Turn Off Ads?
Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 17

Thread: EV and Redszone

Hybrid View

  1. #1
    Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2004
    Location
    Ironton, OH
    Posts
    522

    EV and Redszone

    It is hilarious to read some of the knee jerk reaction post here at RZ esp. those on the old red guard. Sorry I don't live and die sitting on a message board to write up posts filled with stats to prove my point, but EV is coming off of TJ surgery....around the break, he will be his dominant self. Those of you who can't see it are blind. He can dial it up and throw it by hitters with good movement, once he gets his control he will be an all-star pitcher.

    get over Hamilton....he is gone.

  2. #2
    Member Zimmers's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Location
    Melbourne Australia
    Posts
    77

    Re: EV and Redszone

    Quote Originally Posted by bleedsred View Post
    It is hilarious to read some of the knee jerk reaction post here at RZ esp. those on the old red guard. Sorry I don't live and die sitting on a message board to write up posts filled with stats to prove my point, but EV is coming off of TJ surgery....around the break, he will be his dominant self. Those of you who can't see it are blind. He can dial it up and throw it by hitters with good movement, once he gets his control he will be an all-star pitcher.

    get over Hamilton....he is gone.
    The trade is always going to be talked about no matter what. I think ev could win 5 cu youngs and still be the whipping boy. Offense is sexier that pitching and Hamilton putting the numbers he puts up just adds fuel to the raging debate. I agree tho once he gets his control issues worked out he will be filthy and dominant.

  3. #3
    Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Posts
    396

    Re: EV and Redszone

    In both starts Volquez got it together and pitched well after a rough start. That is different than getting hit hard inning after inning. Volquez is making batters miss wildly on a regular basis. Even if he always has some control issues he can still be effective. In 2008 he was #2 in the Cy Young even though he had a lot of walks. He is the kind of guy who could be dominant even against a good hitting team ain a playoff situation. He has nasty stuff that is just electric. That type of stuff just doesn't come along often.

  4. #4
    Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Posts
    118

    Re: EV and Redszone

    I'm hoping for the best from Volquez, but I worry that he's really only had that one half season of above average results. Aside from that half season, he hasn't been all that great.

    He has great stuff and misses bats better than any guy we have. However, he has 204 walks in 394 innings for his career. I don't know if he ever is going to "find his control." He might just continue to be a 5 walk per 9 inning pitcher like he has been his whole career.

    The other problem with Edinson is that even if his control is good enough that he's not walking a lot of guys, he still throws a lot of pitches to get outs. He just seems like a guy who isn't going to get past the 6th inning very often.

    Somebody needs to step up and be our ace, but to me, Travis Wood is much more likely to be the guy than Volquez.

  5. #5
    Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Location
    Cincinnati
    Posts
    1,174

    Re: EV and Redszone

    Even if it doesn't work out, there's no getting Hamilton back, so it's a moot point.

    Volquez will either pitch to our expectations in the long run, or he wont. We need to quit crying over spilt milk and live with what we got.

    We needed a good starter BADLY at the time, and we got one. He hurt himself, it happens. I think he can put together a decent season (somewhere in the 3.50-4.50 range) if he stays healthy. The innings are gonna pile up but we've got the guys to cover them if need be.

  6. #6
    Winning the Human Race TheBigLebowski's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Location
    Titletown, FL
    Posts
    3,855

    Re: EV and Redszone

    I did not LOVE the trade when it was made...can safely say I was against it, but I had no idea at the time just how lopsided it would be.

    I will fully admit I knew little about Edinson at the time, but I did a lot of research him after it happened....I was intrigued by him.....but one constant I found was that everyone noted his lack of control and command in addition to his live arm.

    I know he is coming off the TJ but he is experiencing the same problems he has his whole career - poor command and control. He can get that fastball up there...velocity-wise, but he also has this annoying tendency to keep the pitch up in the zone. He got away with some really, really bad pitches last night. If his velocity was down, I might agree with this premise, but the speed of his pitches is consistently good.

    Then there's the issue of control, of which he has little. If these issues were not present before the surgery, then a cogent argument could be made that he simply needs time to recover. But these are the same tendencies he had before it.

    EV has a very labored, complicated delivery. Next time he pitches, keep a good amount of beer on hand, and watch how many places the baseball goes before he releases it. One key to good control is a delivery that is easily replicated. Just like shooting free throws in basketball. We have another pitcher in our system whose career path is beginning to look eerily similar to EV's. His name starts with Dontrelle and ends with Willis. Gangbusters one year then completely fell off the table with control/command issues. Look closely at the way Dontrelle delivers the ball. He's all over the place, as is EV.
    Founder and Ruling Elite of the Derrick Robinson Fan Club. Limited amount of memberships available.

  7. #7
    Member Moosie52's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Posts
    579

    Re: EV and Redszone

    What use do the Reds have for Josh Hamilton? The offense is already killer. It's much better to have a starting pitcher who throws wicked stuff and will only get better as the weather warms up.

  8. #8
    Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Posts
    253

    Re: EV and Redszone

    Quote Originally Posted by Moosie52 View Post
    What use do the Reds have for Josh Hamilton? The offense is already killer. It's much better to have a starting pitcher who throws wicked stuff and will only get better as the weather warms up.
    What use would any team have for the reigning AL MVP? Is that a serious question, or are you just being facetious to try and dismiss all other viewpoints?

  9. #9
    Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Posts
    102

    Re: EV and Redszone

    Just picture him in left field, and batting between Votto and Rolen. OMG. Thats a big boy line-up. We would also have probaly the two best outfield arms in MLB He and Bruce. The term 5 tool player gets thrown around alot, but Josh Hamilton is the best 5 tool player in Baseball. IMO the best player in baseball.

  10. #10
    ZCTRMTP!!!!! texasdave's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Posts
    10,807

    Re: EV and Redszone

    Just picture him in left field, and batting between Votto and Rolen. OMG.
    Ain't gonna happen. Got to split those lefties. Everybody knows that. Bakermetrics 101.
    A summer watching a bad Reds' team, is still a pretty good summer.

  11. #11
    Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Location
    St. Louis, MO
    Posts
    680

    Re: EV and Redszone

    Quote Originally Posted by bleedsred View Post
    It is hilarious to read some of the knee jerk reaction post here at RZ esp. those on the old red guard. Sorry I don't live and die sitting on a message board to write up posts filled with stats to prove my point, but EV is coming off of TJ surgery....around the break, he will be his dominant self. Those of you who can't see it are blind. He can dial it up and throw it by hitters with good movement, once he gets his control he will be an all-star pitcher.

    Why are you picking on RZ......I listened to the game last night, and during the first inning Marty and the Cowboy *****ed and moaned and griped about EV and his problems and his control and his release point and using too many pitches.

    So seems to me if you see *****ing on RZ, it just reflects the official announcers' position.

  12. #12
    Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    Columbus
    Posts
    733

    Re: EV and Redszone

    It's one thing to cirtique a poor performance, which is obviously what EV was having at the start. It's another thing to activly root for a guy to fail becuse he was traded for someone else you like. That's what it seems like a lot of folks here are doing.
    Sto Pro Veritate

  13. #13
    Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Posts
    102

    Re: EV and Redszone

    I don't think anyone on any Texas forum is complaining about the trade. They made out like fat rats. I like the one year deal tho , If he turns it around and leaves so be it we have good depth. It it stays the same, or he gets caught cheating again were not tied up with him.

  14. #14
    All work and no play..... Vottomatic's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    Lebanon
    Posts
    7,067

    Re: EV and Redszone

    EV needs to learn, like Cueto did, that you don't have to strike everyone out. He runs up quick large pitch counts.
    "I can't take this homerism anymore." - 10xWSChamps, August 11, 2010. A Cardinals fan having a problem with all the homerism on Redszone. Classic.

    "Man do I miss the days where were didn't need a calculator and an encyclopedia of baseball metrics to enjoy a baseball game ... - MikeS21" - 8/2/12 game thread

  15. #15
    Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Posts
    584

    Re: EV and Redszone

    Not crazy about his lack of control but he has been dominant for long periods of time. Certainly he has had the most dominant season of any current Reds pitcher despite having a less than dominant second half of the season, which is actually somewhat common for a lot of players. He does have a lot of movement to his motion which is hard to repeat which causes a lot of his problems. Having said that, I don't think Travis Wood is Cy Young after one great start and I am not ready to throw EV overboard because of two bad innings. I think he will consistently be a pitcher who battles his control, but any talk of bailing on him after two starts is beyond silly.


Turn Off Ads?

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

Board Moderators may, at their discretion and judgment, delete and/or edit any messages that violate any of the following guidelines: 1. Explicit references to alleged illegal or unlawful acts. 2. Graphic sexual descriptions. 3. Racial or ethnic slurs. 4. Use of edgy language (including masked profanity). 5. Direct personal attacks, flames, fights, trolling, baiting, name-calling, general nuisance, excessive player criticism or anything along those lines. 6. Posting spam. 7. Each person may have only one user account. It is fine to be critical here - that's what this board is for. But let's not beat a subject or a player to death, please.

Thank you, and most importantly, enjoy yourselves!


RedsZone.com is a privately owned website and is not affiliated with the Cincinnati Reds or Major League Baseball


Contact us: Boss | GIK | BCubb2003 | dabvu2498 | Gallen5862 | LexRedsFan | Plus Plus | RedlegJake | redsfan1995 | The Operator | Tommyjohn25