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    Re: So when is Bruce going to start hitting?

    5% of the season has gone by?????

    (sigh)

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    Re: So when is Bruce going to start hitting?

    A week from now this thread will look sillier than it already does.
    Stop! Heisey time!

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    Re: So when is Bruce going to start hitting?

    Quote Originally Posted by NC Reds View Post
    A week from now this thread will look sillier than it already does.
    I doubt that is possible.....

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    Re: So when is Bruce going to start hitting?

    The only question I have is this: Does Jay like Fancy Coffee (tm)?
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    Re: So when is Bruce going to start hitting?

    Wow, is this thread happening again?
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    Re: So when is Bruce going to start hitting?

    Jay Bruce is pressing because Jim Edmonds isn't here.


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    Re: So when is Bruce going to start hitting?

    31 plate appearances this year.

    When will he ever please?

    I'm thinking no matter what he does, it won't be enough for some.

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    Re: So when is Bruce going to start hitting?

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou View Post
    31 plate appearances this year.

    When will he ever please?

    I'm thinking no matter what he does, it won't be enough for some.
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    Re: So when is Bruce going to start hitting?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ghosts of 1990 View Post
    I'm not implicating that we send him to Louisville. I'm just saying that it would just be nice if he got off to a decent start. He's quietly salting away like 10% of his season here without production.

    I don't know, maybe I'm crazy for being frustrated. But I just don't get the peaks and valleys with a guy with his talent.

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    Re: So when is Bruce going to start hitting?

    There are some crazy things going on in this thread, but it isn't from the OP IMO. Everyone screaming small sample size is missing the point. No one has said that they expect Bruce's performance up to now to hold and that he'll finish with an OPS below .600. Other than the mockers, no one has suggested Bruce be released or sent to AAA either.

    What some are stating is that if Bruce continues to exhibit a poor approach and the same holes in his swing that he is now, he won't make that jump to the next level. I think that improvement is necessary for the Reds to move to the next level. The Reds pretty much sent that message in the offseason with no real acquisitions and a statement that improvements will come from within. If Jay Bruce repeats 2010 with an OPS around .850 and top nothch defense he'll be a fine player who all teams would love to have, but to fulfill the need for improvement that the team is banking on, he needs to go to the next level with an OPS nearing .950 and it won't happen with glaring holes in his swing and approach.
    Last edited by mth123; 04-10-2011 at 01:15 PM.
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    Re: So when is Bruce going to start hitting?

    Quote Originally Posted by mth123 View Post
    What some are stating is that if Bruce continues to exhibit a poor approach and the same holes in his swing that he is now, he won't make that jump to the next level.
    Even King Albert exhibits a poor approach with holes in his swing when in a slump.

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    Re: So when is Bruce going to start hitting?

    Quote Originally Posted by mth123 View Post
    but to fulfill the need for improvement that the team is banking on, he needs to go to the next level with an OPS nearing .950 and it won't happen with glaring holes in his swing and approach.
    Are they really banking on that number? I'm of the opinion that that number as an "expected" number is too high. I think they bank on .850 and the rest is gravy.

    Since 1946 here's the number of times the Reds have had players top .950.

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    CINCINNATI REDS
    SEASON
    1946-2010
    
    OPS                           YEAR     OPS    
    1    Kevin Mitchell           1994    1.110   
    2    Ted Kluszewski           1954    1.049   
    3    Frank Robinson           1962    1.045   
    4    Joey Votto               2010    1.024   
    5    Joe Morgan               1976    1.020   
    6    Frank Robinson           1961    1.015   
    7    George Foster            1977    1.013   
    8    Frank Robinson           1960    1.002   
    9    Eric Davis               1987     .991   
    10   Tony Perez               1970     .990   
    11   Joey Votto               2009     .981   
    12   Barry Larkin             1996     .977   
    13   Reggie Sanders           1995     .975   
    14   Frank Robinson           1959     .975   
    15   Joe Morgan               1975     .974   
    16   Ted Kluszewski           1955     .967   
    17   Adam Dunn                2004     .956   
    18   Ted Kluszewski           1953     .950
    And here are the guys 25 or younger.

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    OPS                           YEAR     OPS      AGE    
    1    Frank Robinson           1961    1.015       25   
    2    Frank Robinson           1960    1.002       24   
    3    Eric Davis               1987     .991       25   
    4    Joey Votto               2009     .981       25   
    5    Frank Robinson           1959     .975       23   
    6    Adam Dunn                2004     .956       24

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    Re: So when is Bruce going to start hitting?

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou View Post
    Are they really banking on that number? I'm of the opinion that that number as an "expected" number is too high. I think they bank on .850 and the rest is gravy.

    Since 1946 here's the number of times the Reds have had players top .950.

    Code:
    CINCINNATI REDS
    SEASON
    1946-2010
    
    OPS                           YEAR     OPS    
    1    Kevin Mitchell           1994    1.110   
    2    Ted Kluszewski           1954    1.049   
    3    Frank Robinson           1962    1.045   
    4    Joey Votto               2010    1.024   
    5    Joe Morgan               1976    1.020   
    6    Frank Robinson           1961    1.015   
    7    George Foster            1977    1.013   
    8    Frank Robinson           1960    1.002   
    9    Eric Davis               1987     .991   
    10   Tony Perez               1970     .990   
    11   Joey Votto               2009     .981   
    12   Barry Larkin             1996     .977   
    13   Reggie Sanders           1995     .975   
    14   Frank Robinson           1959     .975   
    15   Joe Morgan               1975     .974   
    16   Ted Kluszewski           1955     .967   
    17   Adam Dunn                2004     .956   
    18   Ted Kluszewski           1953     .950
    And here are the guys 25 or younger.

    Code:
    OPS                           YEAR     OPS      AGE    
    1    Frank Robinson           1961    1.015       25   
    2    Frank Robinson           1960    1.002       24   
    3    Eric Davis               1987     .991       25   
    4    Joey Votto               2009     .981       25   
    5    Frank Robinson           1959     .975       23   
    6    Adam Dunn                2004     .956       24
    I think the Reds saw the drop-off from Rolen and can't reasonably expect a repeat from Hernandez and Hanigan in 2011. The team really lacks a middle of the order bat and its stance that an acquisition wasn't necessary suggests that they expect improvement from within. Maybe its Stubbs or the arrival of Mesoraco or Alonso that drives that improvement, but IMO Bruce is the most likely place to make-up for the likely drops in production. If he merely repeats, where will it come from? It seems there is no cash to bring somebody in.
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    Re: So when is Bruce going to start hitting?

    Quote Originally Posted by PuffyPig View Post
    Even King Albert exhibits a poor approach with holes in his swing when in a slump.
    Agreed. I think that is the entire point. Is this a slump and if so when will it end? Last year, even with a pretty good season, Bruce slumped for several weeks and it prevented him from having that season that is in the next stratosphere. I hope we're past those extended down periods and it ends quickly, but riight now, he looks like a guy who doesn't have a clue up there.
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    Re: So when is Bruce going to start hitting?

    I'm in favor of sitting Bruce for a few games. I realize that only a handful of games have been played and he can be a slow starter. I believe he WILL begin to hit soon, but I think that giving him a few days off will do him some good.

    That first Arizona game reinforced things for me. Just throw him an inside breaking ball and he'll swing...and never make contact. He's had far too many K's for his number of at-bats this season. Sitting him would be like a "reset" here at the beginning of the season and might keep him from pushing too hard.

    Again, I'm not saying he needs to be sent down or doubting his ability. I just believe now is the perfect time to give him a chance to catch his breath and start over for the year.


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