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    Jay Bruce is a polarizing figure among Reds fans, some call him Jaybust, some think he is the next star, and if he is not that then he will be looked at as a failure. I say, why does he have to be a star. Why can't he be an average to slightly above average player who plays his butt off. The way he plays is not due to a lack of effort, no one that I know of has ever questioned that. I know the baseball Gods said he was the next Babe Ruth( kidding on Babe Ruth, but you get the picture), I would be happy with a career of yearly totals of .265-285 avg, 20-30 homers, 75-100 rbi's, and 70-90 runs. I hope he can be a star, but the totals we had from Bruce by years end last year were pretty good. There are times when he can carry the team for 2-3 weeks. I say cut the kid some slack, he plays his butt off. If most of us worked as hard as he plays we would be CEO of the company.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dubc47834 View Post
    Jay Bruce is a polarizing figure among Reds fans, some call him Jaybust, some think he is the next star, and if he is not that then he will be looked at as a failure. I say, why does he have to be a star. Why can't he be an average to slightly above average player who plays his butt off. The way he plays is not due to a lack of effort, no one that I know of has ever questioned that. I know the baseball Gods said he was the next Babe Ruth( kidding on Babe Ruth, but you get the picture), I would be happy with a career of yearly totals of .265-285 avg, 20-30 homers, 75-100 rbi's, and 70-90 runs. I hope he can be a star, but the totals we had from Bruce by years end last year were pretty good. There are times when he can carry the team for 2-3 weeks. I say cut the kid some slack, he plays his butt off. If most of us worked as hard as he plays we would be CEO of the company.
    It's the same thing that plagued Adam Dunn. All anyone wanted to do was deride him for what he didn't do instead of praise him for what he does well. If Bruce doesn't become a top 5 MVP candidate (not likely, but still entirely possible), I think a lot of people will look at him as a bust, and that just isn't fair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dubc47834 View Post
    Jay Bruce is a polarizing figure among Reds fans, some call him Jaybust, some think he is the next star, and if he is not that then he will be looked at as a failure. I say, why does he have to be a star. Why can't he be an average to slightly above average player who plays his butt off. The way he plays is not due to a lack of effort, no one that I know of has ever questioned that. I know the baseball Gods said he was the next Babe Ruth( kidding on Babe Ruth, but you get the picture), I would be happy with a career of yearly totals of .265-285 avg, 20-30 homers, 75-100 rbi's, and 70-90 runs. I hope he can be a star, but the totals we had from Bruce by years end last year were pretty good. There are times when he can carry the team for 2-3 weeks. I say cut the kid some slack, he plays his butt off. If most of us worked as hard as he plays we would be CEO of the company.
    Not about how hard you work.... it's about results.

    Needs to shorten his stroke, swing's too long. Good d though (save that debacle in the playoffs)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oxblood View Post
    Not about how hard you work.... it's about results.

    Needs to shorten his stroke, swing's too long. Good d though (save that debacle in the playoffs)
    You see thats the problem...it IS about how hard you work. Not everyone can put up big numbers. If he works hard and doesn't put up the HUGE numbers, and is average or slightly above average, I can live with that. I know some people can't tho.

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    I think what most forget about or overlook on Jay is his age. If he was say 26 or 27 and putting up the numbers he is I would be concerned...but he is not, he is still very young and learning....give it time people...

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    Guys like Jay Bruce (and Jonny Gomes to a lesser extent) are players for whom I find it difficult to get angry with for very long because of their max effort. I would love to see Bruce continue to develop his game and get more out of each AB, but I love what he brings to the table with his glove and effort in RF.
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    dub,

    I'm with you, but I think the complaints come from the fact that he was a No. 1 pick and he plays in a position that many feel need to bring about power numbers - the fact that he was minor league player of the year - and the absolutely out of this world start he had to his major league career.

    I'm not saying it's fair, but I think those things point to it.

    Frankly, though, I think what Bruce is giving them is fine.

    The Dunn comment was accurate - same for Eric Davis and others in the past.

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    Quote Originally Posted by markymark69 View Post
    dub,

    I'm with you, but I think the complaints come from the fact that he was a No. 1 pick and he plays in a position that many feel need to bring about power numbers - the fact that he was minor league player of the year - and the absolutely out of this world start he had to his major league career.

    I'm not saying it's fair, but I think those things point to it.

    Frankly, though, I think what Bruce is giving them is fine.

    The Dunn comment was accurate - same for Eric Davis and others in the past.
    Yeah i think those 1st weeks when he came up had a lot to do with the way people feel about him. They say he had those huge numbers and why can't he do that now, it's too bad because I think he tries his arse off.

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    Sometimes with guys who have such high potential, it's not enough to just be a good player. We tend to be frustrated with anything short of greatness. You definitely saw the same thing with Dunn. That guy put up terrific numbers every year, but failed to satisfy many fans because he was just really good instead of great.
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    Dunn was always a DH, he just happened to be in the NL so we got to watch his folly in LF.

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    For me, it all goes back to when Votto and then Bruce came up to the majors.

    Votto wasn't that heralded and Bruce was dubbed almighty.

    Joey rarely has a bad at-bat, much less multiple ones in a game. Watching a Votto at-bat has become one of my favorite past times. He makes adjustments, hits the pitch where he can handle it or to the opposite field if need be, fouls pitches off........usually hangs in there. I cannot say any of that about Jay Bruce. Jay has failed to make adjustments and typically tries to pull everything. An opposite field hit is a rarity for Jay. And he is not good at staying alive at the plate, and you typically can write him down for K if he gets behind in the count.

    That is my problem. One guy continues to improve and is masterful at the plate/hitting. And the one that was supposed to be all that has regressed before my eyes and seems unwilling to make adjustments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigJohn View Post
    Dunn was always a DH, he just happened to be in the NL so we got to watch his folly in LF.
    ^pretty much it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vottomatic View Post
    For me, it all goes back to when Votto and then Bruce came up to the majors.

    Votto wasn't that heralded and Bruce was dubbed almighty.

    Joey rarely has a bad at-bat, much less multiple ones in a game. Watching a Votto at-bat has become one of my favorite past times. He makes adjustments, hits the pitch where he can handle it or to the opposite field if need be, fouls pitches off........usually hangs in there. I cannot say any of that about Jay Bruce. Jay has failed to make adjustments and typically tries to pull everything. An opposite field hit is a rarity for Jay. And he is not good at staying alive at the plate, and you typically can write him down for K if he gets behind in the count.

    That is my problem. One guy continues to improve and is masterful at the plate/hitting. And the one that was supposed to be all that has regressed before my eyes and seems unwilling to make adjustments.

    Bruce is 3 years younger...

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    The Jay Bruce/Adam Dunn comparisons I think are interesting from that standpoint that both guys put up gargantuan minor league numbers at a very young age and there was reasonable expectations they would follow a standard major league progression path and become elite hitters at the major league level by their 3rd or 4th year. For me that is really where the comparison ends.

    Adam Dunn I believe people soured on because he flat lined. He never got better and in fact was worse in years 3 & 4 than in years 1 & 2. People focused on what he could not do rather than what he did do and the rest is history.

    Jay Bruce on the other hand is definitely improving with last season being a very good year statistically. What I think is absolutely maddening with him is the inconsistency. For the past few seasons the suddenly the light goes on and the results a jaw dropping.

    Sept 2008 OPS .954 - He's got it now! Wait til 2009! He proceeds to OPS .700 April -August 2009, then.....

    Sept 2009 OPS 1.228 - Ok he's healthy now! Wait till 2010! He proceeds to OPS .780 April - July 2010, then.....

    Aug-Oct 2010 OPS 1.056 - OK NOW the light IS on. 2011 Bruce Kills it! Mark it down!!

    April 2011 OPS .675 with a 18/4 K to BB rate and looking lost.

    I like Jay Bruce a lot. He is a great defender, appears to be a even better person AND he wants to play in Cincinnati as indicated by the long term deal he signed.

    I know it is early in the season and the light could go on tommorrow for the rest of the season and we will bump this thread the day he picks up his MVP, but man is it hard to watch right now.
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    I never had a problem with Dunn offensively. He just bothered me with his joke of a defense.
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