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    Is this offense not ready for the spotlight?

    Taking a look at the previous 4 games which have put this team in the "spotlight" by showcasing them to a national audience, the team is 0-4. The results of these 4 games are as follows:
    1. Phillies 2, Reds 0 (0 hits)
    2. Phillies 7, Reds 4 (no complaints)
    3. Phillies 2, Reds 0 (5 hits)
    4. Cardinals 3, Reds 0 (4 hits)

    Its pretty easy to notice a trend, as 3 shutouts in 4 games is not good. The pitching is stepping it up for the most part, but the offense certainly has not. Hopefully this will come with experience, but to me this is the most concerning aspect of this team.

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    Re: Is this offense not ready for the spotlight?

    My thoughts exactly. Was expressing the same sentiments to a co-worker this morning. They are probably putting too much pressure on themselves during these games that are on the "big stage". The good news in my mind is that the core of players that we all hope can stay together for awhile are getting good experience to the spotlight and hopefully can use that to their advantage going forward.
    Hey Homer! If you can put it together, you'll put the Reds over the top....think about it.

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    Re: Is this offense not ready for the spotlight?

    I still think while this offense has made great strides the last year or so, our "league leading offense" was overrated a tad. Our situational hitting has gotten better over the last few years, but still too many all or nothing games.
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    Re: Is this offense not ready for the spotlight?

    I was stunned last year we led the NL. Were extremely spurty. And last night was extremely dissapointing.

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    Re: Is this offense not ready for the spotlight?

    Last year the Reds were the top offense but also were one of the tops in being shut out. There is a lot of talent on offense, but the problem is that Votto is the only one that is consistent. Bruce, Stubbs, Phillips, and Gomes could just as easily look like All Stars as go through a 1-25 streak. They'll pull out of it though. I think that once Bruce starts to turn it on, the offense is going to take off.

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    Re: Is this offense not ready for the spotlight?

    Greatness isn't born overnight, we have some growing and maturing to do. Two of our "key" players are still very young and very immature at the plate. Remember Votto wasn't Votto his first couple of seasons...

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    Re: Is this offense not ready for the spotlight?

    Quote Originally Posted by bounty37h View Post
    I still think while this offense has made great strides the last year or so, our "league leading offense" was overrated a tad. Our situational hitting has gotten better over the last few years, but still too many all or nothing games.
    Couldn't agree more. I still have high hopes for the Reds offense this year, but the title of "league leading offense" last year was absolutely fraudulent, IMHO. I'd take a team that scored fewer runs but was more consistent. I don't care if you average 5.5 runs/game but you get there by scoring 9 one game, 12 the next, and then get 1 run and 8 hits combined over your next two games.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brm7675 View Post
    Greatness isn't born overnight, we have some growing and maturing to do. Two of our "key" players are still very young and very immature at the plate. Remember Votto wasn't Votto his first couple of seasons...
    Also remember that at Bruce's age (24) Votto was in AAA posting an .859 OPS -- Bruce posted an OPS of .846 last year at the MLB level.

    That being said, it's easy to get frustrated with Bruce. He has the talent to be one of the best players in baseball, but he always seems to be pressing at the plate and not just letting the game come to him, as much as I hate to use that phrase.

    http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx...latediscipline

    Take a look at his plate discipline numbers. His O-Swing% is very troubling. If he would simply calm down and get that number back down to around 29% (what it was last year, which I believe is the league average, though I could be wrong on that), I think you would see his numbers skyrocket. It also doesn't help that his F-Strike% has jumped from 54.6% to 63.1%, but again I think that is a result of swinging at bad first pitches. If he would simply stop chasing out of the zone, he could absolutely be the hitter we saw in August and September of last year.

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    Re: Is this offense not ready for the spotlight?

    This offense is feast or famine. They pad their stats against scrubs, but are easily exploited by good pitchers.

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    Re: Is this offense not ready for the spotlight?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlienFace View Post
    This offense is feast or famine. They pad their stats against scrubs, but are easily exploited by good pitchers.
    You call the guy pitching last night 'good'? You call the pirates pitchers good?

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    Re: Is this offense not ready for the spotlight?

    Quote Originally Posted by brm7675 View Post
    You call the guy pitching last night 'good'? You call the pirates pitchers good?
    He's better than his stats make him look.

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    Re: Is this offense not ready for the spotlight?

    Quote Originally Posted by brm7675 View Post
    You call the guy pitching last night 'good'? You call the pirates pitchers good?
    Westbrook is poor pitcher, to be sure, but he was on his game last nite. It happens.

    I agree that it is frustrating to pad the batting stats in blowouts, and hit poorly in close games. But the fact is this team can score runs, and can come from behind like nobody's business.

    Don't worry about the bats....worry about the arms.

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    Re: Is this offense not ready for the spotlight?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlienFace View Post
    He's better than his stats make him look.
    Can someone explain that to me? You are what your stats say you are, that is why we have stat's....

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    Quote Originally Posted by brm7675 View Post
    Can someone explain that to me? You are what your stats say you are, that is why we have stat's....
    Westbrook had an ERA over 9.00 going into the game last night. I think he's a better pitcher than that. It appears that you disagree.

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    Re: Is this offense not ready for the spotlight?

    The Cardinals may be "Whiny ******s", but then what does that make the Reds? A word that starts with a "P" works for me.

    Haven't won a series in STL since '06. They scored 3 earned runs in the whole series. This is the team that always thinks it will win? Except when they play STL or play in Primetime. It's disgusting to watch. Makes me yearn for one player who isn't on the bench saying,

    "Oooo playing the Cardinals is twwooo scary for me. Oooo everybody's watching me. I'm affwaid of those guys. I'm afwaid to look like I know how to play the game of baseball. Let's hurry home so we can woose 3 out of 4 to the Pirates again."

    Yea I'm looking at you Jay. I don't care how young he is. He's been in the league 4 years.

    And these guys are favored to win the Central? They will be lucky to place third.



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