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    Should the Reds start to think LTC for Stubbs?

    What say you? I say absolutely.

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    Re: Should the Reds start to think LTC for Stubbs?

    Yep. He can be my CF for the next 5-6 years.

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    Re: Should the Reds start to think LTC for Stubbs?

    We went 6/51 on Bruce, what do you think..............6/40-45 on Stubbs?

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    Re: Should the Reds start to think LTC for Stubbs?

    Quote Originally Posted by hebroncougar View Post
    We went 6/51 on Bruce, what do you think..............6/40-45 on Stubbs?
    Gotta figure nothing will get done till the offseason. With 2 solid years of production in the bank (assuming), I would go 6 yr 45-50 million.

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    Re: Should the Reds start to think LTC for Stubbs?

    I think so. He'll be arbitration eligible after next season, so this offseason it might be worth giving a look.

    Worst-case scenario, you do it after next year and avoid arb. But historically, you get a more favorable discount if you do it the year prior.
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    Re: Should the Reds start to think LTC for Stubbs?

    Now is the time to lock him down. He can stay here for a long, long time.
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    Re: Should the Reds start to think LTC for Stubbs?

    Yes! He's really going to improve and be a star. Mark it down. I'd go 5/30.
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    Re: Should the Reds start to think LTC for Stubbs?

    What's the hurry? I'd wait till after next season.
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    Re: Should the Reds start to think LTC for Stubbs?

    Maybe through his arb years, but as an older prospect his status as an elite defender in CF should decline post arb, and he's unlikely to improve as a hitter (ie. he's reached his potential).

    Believe me, I have been as big a Stubbs supporter as anyone, but he would ideally be a trade candidate before free agency hits just because I don't think he's a long term great bet to be worth the substantial contract required.

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    Re: Should the Reds start to think LTC for Stubbs?

    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Bateman View Post
    Maybe through his arb years, but as an older prospect his status as an elite defender in CF should decline post arb, and he's unlikely to improve as a hitter (ie. he's reached his potential).

    Believe me, I have been as big a Stubbs supporter as anyone, but he would ideally be a trade candidate before free agency hits just because I don't think he's a long term great bet to be worth the substantial contract required.
    Agreed.
    I guess it depends on everyone's definition of long term, though. I would be fine with the Reds buying out his arbitration years and ok with including 1 year of F.A. (although it could get more costly). I don't think it makes sense to sign him to a real long term deal, like 6+ years. You could possibly be overpaying by then.
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    Re: Should the Reds start to think LTC for Stubbs?

    Quote Originally Posted by GAC View Post
    What's the hurry? I'd wait till after next season.
    Leverage.

    The sooner you do it before arbitration the more, typically, you save long term.
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    Re: Should the Reds start to think LTC for Stubbs?

    Quote Originally Posted by Brutus the Pimp View Post
    Leverage.

    The sooner you do it before arbitration the more, typically, you save long term.
    I'd wait to see how he performs this season. Don't jump the gun. Then next off-season they could do with him like they did with Votto and buy up his arb years.
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    Re: Should the Reds start to think LTC for Stubbs?

    Quote Originally Posted by GAC View Post
    I'd wait to see how he performs this season. Don't jump the gun. Then next off-season they could do with him like they did with Votto and buy up his arb years.
    Well that's a fair point, but I guess it depends on if we think he needs to prove anything more. Granted, it's not like he's established himself, so that would be a good reason to wait another year. On the other hand, it's probably safe to think if the Reds gave him a deal similar to Bruce's, that it would still wind up being well worth their while as his defense and power alone will likely justify the money they pay him.
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    Re: Should the Reds start to think LTC for Stubbs?

    Quote Originally Posted by GAC View Post
    I'd wait to see how he performs this season. Don't jump the gun. Then next off-season they could do with him like they did with Votto and buy up his arb years.
    So he can walk in 2-3 years? No thanks.

    I'd start talking now. What I'd be most concerned about, however, is whether that will increase BP's anxiety over his lack of a long-term deal. Maybe pickup BP's option and extend Stubbs at the same time towards the end of the summer.

    One difference to keep in mind with Stubbs is that with the continued progress of both Sappelt and LaMarre, the Reds do have something of a contingency plan that they lacked with Bruce. I don't think either could come close to replacing Stubbs, but they are closer than what anyone in the organization at the time was to Bruce's (potential) production. Stubbs is also almost 3 years older than Bruce. I'd offer something like 5/32 and see what he came back with.
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    Re: Should the Reds start to think LTC for Stubbs?

    Just some perspective as I think Stubbs is sometimes over shadowed.

    In 2010, he had a WAR of 3.4.
    The 3 OF ranked directly above him were BJ Upton, Corey Hart, and Andrew McCutchon.
    The 3 OF ranked directly below him were Justin Upton, Hunter Pence, and Ben Zobrist.

    In 2011, he is on pace for a WAR of 4.7.
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