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    I had some random Reds thoughts

    It doesn't happen that often anymore and where else am I going to post them?

    - I always figured Brandon Phillips would hit .300 at least once in his career. Call it the Mariano Duncan Theory (though Duncan did it twice). This could be that year.

    - Jay Bruce is going to win an MVP award one of these years. He's pretty damn good right now.

    - The Reds have a number of players and pitchers who overcame some major struggles/flaws on their way up the ladder. It's really a testament to the developmental folks. It's also a sign that Tim Naehring is long gone.

    - One thought related to that: If the Reds are doing a good job of turning raw talents into players, then emphasize tools in the draft.

    - Second thought related to that: The Yorman Rodriguez Project is still in its early days.

    - What's the ETA on Brad Boxberger? Got to be soon. He's ridiculous in AA.

    - And Josh Smith? Whoa. Best 20th round pick ever.

    - I don't care what a team like the Reds theoretically should pay its closer, Francisco Cordero has done his job like a pro since he arrived. He's 3rd all-time in franchise history in saves and he'll probably have four of the top 10 single season saves totals in franchise history after this season concludes. I hope people have had the good sense to enjoy him.

    - Jose Reyes may be on the market very soon ... I'm just saying.

    - With the caveat that you should always worry about your starting pitching, I wouldn't worry overly much about the starting pitching. It's early and there's enough options in the majors and AAA for it to sort itself out.

    - Joey Votto is quite a bit better than Albert Pujols at this moment in time.

    - Has anybody calculated the Reds' record with and without Scott Rolen the past three seasons? I bet the difference is striking.
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    Re: I had some random Reds thoughts

    Nice post, M2. I was just wondering a few days ago where you had been.
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    Re: I had some random Reds thoughts

    It is not at all fair to blame Tim Naehring for twenty years of poor minor league production. He was there less than two years if I recall correctly. By the way, he is a nice guy.
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    Re: I had some random Reds thoughts

    Quote Originally Posted by Spitball View Post
    It is not at all fair to blame Tim Naehring for twenty years of poor minor league production. He was there less than two years if I recall correctly. By the way, he is a nice guy.
    He was here less than two years for a reason. Some absolutely idiotic quotes and ideas come from that guy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cedric View Post
    He was here less than two years for a reason. Some absolutely idiotic quotes and ideas come from that guy.
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    Re: I had some random Reds thoughts

    Quote Originally Posted by Spitball View Post
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    Wasn't it Naehring that demoted a player after he told a reporter that the eggs were not good enough at spring training?

    His hardass attitude wore thin quickly and did not produce results.
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    Re: I had some random Reds thoughts

    Quote Originally Posted by Spitball View Post
    It is not at all fair to blame Tim Naehring for twenty years of poor minor league production. He was there less than two years if I recall correctly. By the way, he is a nice guy.
    Naehring was player development director for 6 or 7 seasons, then minor league field coordinator for a couple seasons before he was fired.

    I wouldn't necessarily put blame on him either, just correcting that part.

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    Re: I had some random Reds thoughts

    Quote Originally Posted by Spitball View Post
    It is not at all fair to blame Tim Naehring for twenty years of poor minor league production. He was there less than two years if I recall correctly. By the way, he is a nice guy.
    You've apparently blotted out most of Naehring's tenure as minor league coordinator from your memory. Smart move. It was painful. He had the gig from October, 2000-February, 2006 and was responsible for the purplest patch of development in team history. I don't care if he's the nicest fellow you've ever met, he was an abject failure as a farm director.

    In fact, pushing Naehring aside might rank above Bronson Arroyo for Wily Mo Pena and Brandon Phillips for Jeff Stevens on Wayne Krivsky's greatest hits list.
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    Re: I had some random Reds thoughts

    Quote Originally Posted by M2 View Post
    You've apparently blotted out most of Naehring's tenure as minor league coordinator from your memory. Smart move. It was painful. He had the gig from October, 2000-February, 2006 and was responsible for the purplest patch of development in team history. I don't care if he's the nicest fellow you've ever met, he was an abject failure as a farm director.
    Not to put too fine a point on it, but that was really an era where the only players who came out of the Reds farm system unscathed and productive were players (Dunn, Kearns, etc.) literally too talented to fail.

    Pitchers? You might as well have put an advanced-A ball team in Kremcheck's office and made it an official stop on the development chart.
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    Re: I had some random Reds thoughts

    Quote Originally Posted by M2 View Post
    You've apparently blotted out most of Naehring's tenure as minor league coordinator from your memory. Smart move. It was painful. He had the gig from October, 2000-February, 2006 and was responsible for the purplest patch of development in team history. I don't care if he's the nicest fellow you've ever met, he was an abject failure as a farm director.

    In fact, pushing Naehring aside might rank above Bronson Arroyo for Wily Mo Pena and Brandon Phillips for Jeff Stevens on Wayne Krivsky's greatest hits list.
    I believe Naehring was the minor league field coordinator. He was fired as a a major overhaul of the minor league system. He may be a tempting target, but I don't think he is really a fair target for years of ineffectiveness.
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    Re: I had some random Reds thoughts

    Quote Originally Posted by Spitball View Post
    I believe Naehring was the minor league field coordinator. He was fired as a a major overhaul of the minor league system. He may be a tempting target, but I don't think he is really a fair target for years of ineffectiveness.
    He had carte blanche over the minor league system from 2000-2006, so he was the guy running the system.

    Again, I'd place a decent portion of the blame on the scouting side as well and who they were providing the PD system with, but Naehring was the top dog.

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    Re: I had some random Reds thoughts

    Quote Originally Posted by Spitball View Post
    I believe Naehring was the minor league field coordinator. He was fired as a a major overhaul of the minor league system. He may be a tempting target, but I don't think he is really a fair target for years of ineffectiveness.
    I said minor league coordinator in my post (and the position was, effectively, the Reds' farm director).

    And he is absolutely a fair target for the organization's outright failure to develop players during the 5+ years when he was in charge of the Reds' player development.

    You're now seeing the organization produce a steady stream of talent and many of those players have overcome some serious struggles on the way. The difference between today and the farm system on Naehring's watch couldn't be more stark. The Reds deserve a lot of credit for fixing something that was clearly broken.
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    Re: I had some random Reds thoughts

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    - I don't care what a team like the Reds theoretically should pay its closer, Francisco Cordero has done his job like a pro since he arrived. He's 3rd all-time in franchise history in saves and he'll probably have four of the top 10 single season saves totals in franchise history after this season concludes. I hope people have had the good sense to enjoy him.
    I'm not sure if it was going through Krivsky's mind when he signed Cordero, but I think one of the reasons you have to not worry about whether the Reds "overpaid" for him is that they could afford to do it based on the other pieces that would be in place.

    With the talent that was coming up in Votto, Bruce, Cueto, etc., you had to figure that a good number of your top players would be in their 1-3 years during the majority of his contract. Since those guys would be pretty significantly underpaid in terms of contract vs. production, you could take the risk of perhaps giving Cordero more in order to lock down a spot on your team that was a glaring weakness. And that's exactly what he's done, whether everyone wants to admit it or not.

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    Re: I had some random Reds thoughts

    Quote Originally Posted by M2 View Post
    - Jay Bruce is going to win an MVP award one of these years.
    I've been thinking the same thing as of late and I was going to start a thread concerning just that but I figured a "So when is Jay Bruce going to start to hit" thread and a "Jay Bruce is going to win a MVP"thread couldn't possibly coexist in RZ.

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    Re: I had some random Reds thoughts

    Jose Reyes to the Reds might be the most obvious trade in the history of baseball.
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