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    Jocketty said scouting director Chris Buckley didnt want to take son Sean in 6th round "We made him. Our scouts really like the kid." #reds
    Maybe Sean wasn't supposed to know that Walt?

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    Re: Official 2011 Draft Day 2 Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Guacarock View Post
    It appears the McAllen Thunder had just signed Yordanys Perez on May 4, fresh from the 17-year-old playing CF for the Ciego de Avila Tigres in Cuba. The press release announcing the signing states:

    "Also signed were two players who formerly played in for the Ciego de Avila Tigres in the Cuban National series. They are infielder Yarbel Tamayo and outfielder Yordanys Perez.

    Although their statistics were not immediately known, the Tigres play in what is recognized as Cuba's toughest division."

    So, Perez isn't a product of home schooling, but rather a product of Cuba's fiercely competitive baseball scene. Hope we snared a diamond in the rough with this pick.
    Yeah, it was just a guess on my part and I didn't have the time to look further. Thanks for getting the additional background on the kid.
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    The recap for the day indicates that Yordanys Perez is 27 years old. Should be interesting.
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    It looks like most of the pitchers were relievers. I'm no expert on draft prospects, but this doesn't sound like a bunch with enough impact to build a foundation from. They may get a lot of useful guys, but outside of rounds 1 & 2 the most interesting guys look like the scouting director's kid and a 27 year old Cuban picked in the 28th round.
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    Re: Official 2011 Draft Day 2 Thread

    I bet that's a typo. The link above had him at 17.

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    They may get a lot of useful guys, but outside of rounds 1 & 2 the most interesting guys look like the scouting director's kid and a 27 year old Cuban picked in the 28th round.
    Let's see who they sign. But I strongly disagree with who's interesting here. Pinckard, Garrett, Covington, Romano are all raw, high ceiling arms. Same for Cingrani, and maybe more. Not a great chance any reaches his ceiling, but there is a pretty deep pool of good arms here. Not a fan of the Buckley pick because nepotism selections bother me....
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    Quote Originally Posted by JaxRed View Post
    I bet that's a typo. The link above had him at 17.
    MLB's Draft Tracker is showing him born in 1984.

    BTW, whoever selected that font for the tracker should be summarily dismissed. The "Y" looks so much like a "V" and I checked some last names starting with "Y". Just a horribly indistinct font. Sorry for the typos yesterday. I think folks have corrected them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lollipopcurve View Post
    Not a fan of the Buckley pick because nepotism selections bother me....
    I'm guessing you would agree with me, but I'm willing to see how it plays out. Sounds like Buckley was acutely aware of that potential charge and was overruled by his staff. Imagine how we'd feel if he panned out elsewhere and questioned why the Reds let him get away. I doubt he gets a free pass. He'll have to prove himself like everyone else, maybe more so.
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    Re: Official 2011 Draft Day 2 Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by redsmetz View Post
    MLB's Draft Tracker is showing him born in 1984.
    That's the potential typo I'm talking about. At this point you have something that says 1984, but you have an actual person that wrote he was 17. I'm inclined to believe the person and assume someone missed the 9 and hit the 8 when typing in the birthdate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaxRed View Post
    That's the potential typo I'm talking about. At this point you have something that says 1984, but you have an actual person that wrote he was 17. I'm inclined to believe the person and assume someone missed the 9 and hit the 8 when typing in the birthdate.
    There are articles online from 2009 where he was playing in Cuba. Unless he was a top player in Cuba as a 15 year old while getting hits off of Aroldis Chapman, he is probably 27.

    Chapman also had excellent control (10 strike outs) and his fastball was clocked at 100 MPH. However in the sixth inning, Yordanis Perez managed one of Ciego’s six hits followed by pinch hitter Mario Vega receiving a 99 MPH fastball on his left forearm to put two on. Chapman then gave up a liner to center by Adonis Garcia driving in the deciding runs.

    http://www.cubaheadlines.com/2009/05...day_night.html

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    Re: Official 2011 Draft Day 2 Thread

    After having a night to digest everything, my take on this draft is as follows:

    1. If 2 of Stephenson, Rosa, Wright and Garret achieve their upside, this draft is a success.
    2. Why do Buckley & co. love college relievers so much? Four of the top 10 picks either were or project to bullpen arms. IMO that's not how a small market team like the Reds unlock value through the draft.
    3. It will be very interesting to see whether they can sign Garrett, Romano, Serrano and Phillips. I like drafting HS players after the top 10 rounds because I believe there is so much more upside/value. Those are frequently guys that will be first and second round picks 2-3 years from now. It's great to get them playing in your system earlier, especially if the opportunity cost is organizational filler.
    4. Cole Green was a good ninth round pick. He could easily be another Sam LeCure at least.
    5. Here are some ceiling comps I came up with off the top of my head:

    Robert Stephenson - Homer Bailey or Matt Garza
    Gabriel Rosa - Corey Hart with the ceiling of Carlos Beltran
    Anthony Cingrani - somewhere between Matt Anderson (actual career not potential) and David Aardsma
    Ryan Wright - Chris Valaika/Todd Frazier with the ceiling of Mark DeRosa or Todd Walker
    Cole Green - Sam LeCure
    Amir Garrett - Aroldis Chapman (2010/2011 Chapman not projected future Chapman)
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    Sounds like Buckley was acutely aware of that potential charge and was overruled by his staff. Imagine how we'd feel if he panned out elsewhere and questioned why the Reds let him get away. I doubt he gets a free pass. He'll have to prove himself like everyone else, maybe more so.
    Time will tell. I know Buckley knows hitters, so maybe his son has absorbed all that to be legit.
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    Re: Official 2011 Draft Day 2 Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Benihana View Post
    After having a night to digest everything, my take on this draft is as follows:

    1. If 2 of Stephenson, Rosa, and Wright achieve their upside, this draft is a success.
    2. Why do Buckley & co. love college relievers so much? Four of the top 10 picks either were or project to bullpen arms. IMO that's not how a small market team like the Reds unlock value through the draft.
    3. It will be very interesting to see whether they can sign Garrett, Romano, Serrano and Phillips. I like drafting HS players after the top 10 rounds because I believe there is so much more upside/value. Those are frequently guys that will be first and second round picks 2-3 years from now. It's great to get them playing in your system earlier, especially if the opportunity cost is organizational filler.
    4. Cole Green was a good ninth round pick. He could easily be another Sam LeCure at least.
    5. Here are some ceiling comps I came up with off the top of my head:

    Robert Stephenson - Homer Bailey or Matt Garza
    Gabriel Rosa - Corey Hart with the ceiling of Carlos Beltran
    Anthony Cingrani - somewhere between Matt Anderson (actual career not potential) and David Aardsma
    Ryan Wright - Chris Valaika/Todd Frazier with the ceiling of Mark DeRosa or Todd Walker
    Cole Green - Sam LeCure
    Amir Garrett - Aroldis Chapman (2010/2011 Chapman not projected future Chapman)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Benihana View Post
    3. It will be very interesting to see whether they can sign Garrett, Romano, Serrano and Phillips. I like drafting HS players after the top 10 rounds because I believe there is so much more upside/value. Those are frequently guys that will be first and second round picks 2-3 years from now. It's great to get them playing in your system earlier, especially if the opportunity cost is organizational filler.
    Agree with your point 100%, and I would add Covington to this list as well.


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