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    Expect to see the Reds all over the next wave of rumors

    San Jose Mercury News (via MLB Trade Rumors) says the Giants are ramping up efforts to get a receiver.

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/0...-catchers.html

    Sounds like they want the trade target to be a good pitch caller/defender as much as a good bat.

    Talks have to involve Ramon, right?

    And mid June has to be a good date to hopefully avoid Mes' super two status, right?

    Anyone know the Giants organization well enough to suggest a fair or hopeful return on such a deal?
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    Re: Expect to see the Reds all over the next wave of rumors

    Giants need a receiver? I thought, with the emergence of Manningham, they were fairly deep there?

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    Re: Expect to see the Reds all over the next wave of rumors

    Quote Originally Posted by edabbs44 View Post
    Giants need a receiver? I thought, with the emergence of Manningham, they were fairly deep there?

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    Re: Expect to see the Reds all over the next wave of rumors

    Ramon for Eric Surkamp?

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    Ramon for Eric Surkamp?
    Haha. Exact same guy I was going to suggest. Cincinnati kid, lefty starting pitcher, putting up pretty darn good numbers in AA.

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    Re: Expect to see the Reds all over the next wave of rumors

    Eric Surkamp makes a lot of sense as a Reds trade target from the Giants. Check out his Twitter channel. He's "here to drop some knowledge on you."

    http://twitter.com/#!/esurkamp

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    Quote Originally Posted by OesterPoster View Post
    Haha. Exact same guy I was going to suggest. Cincinnati kid, lefty starting pitcher, putting up pretty darn good numbers in AA.
    GCL kid. Nice.

    Adding a pitcher deepens the system a little more for a bigger-splash deadline deal too. I don't think I'd be opposed to this idea at all.

    Seems like this is exactly the Reds' long-term plan. Wait until a prospect is truly MLB-ready, trade the vet that's blocking him, add system depth and call up the prospect*. Lather, rinse and repeat.


    EDIT: * Noted exception includes Votto, Joey.
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    Re: Expect to see the Reds all over the next wave of rumors

    Jose Cassila and Jorge Bucardo are two power arms with good sinkers. Either one would fit GAPB.
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    Re: Expect to see the Reds all over the next wave of rumors

    I think the Reds are HIGHLY unlikely to deal a catcher during the season if still in the race. It makes sense if you're running a stratomatic team, but catchers are so involved with the pitching staff, that it's pretty disruptive to make a change there. And you're talking about trading the guy who has handled our young, Spanish-speaking pitchers and who would leave us without a Spanish-speaking catcher. I know a trade is Jocketty's call, but he seems to value being on the same page as Dusty and I don't think Dusty would dare risk rocking the boat that much.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    Re: Expect to see the Reds all over the next wave of rumors

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick View Post
    I think the Reds are HIGHLY unlikely to deal a catcher during the season if still in the race. It makes sense if you're running a stratomatic team, but catchers are so involved with the pitching staff, that it's pretty disruptive to make a change there. And you're talking about trading the guy who has handled our young, Spanish-speaking pitchers and who would leave us without a Spanish-speaking catcher. I know a trade is Jocketty's call, but he seems to value being on the same page as Dusty and I don't think Dusty would dare risk rocking the boat that much.
    Agree 100%.

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    Re: Expect to see the Reds all over the next wave of rumors

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick View Post
    I think the Reds are HIGHLY unlikely to deal a catcher during the season if still in the race. It makes sense if you're running a stratomatic team, but catchers are so involved with the pitching staff, that it's pretty disruptive to make a change there. And you're talking about trading the guy who has handled our young, Spanish-speaking pitchers and who would leave us without a Spanish-speaking catcher. I know a trade is Jocketty's call, but he seems to value being on the same page as Dusty and I don't think Dusty would dare risk rocking the boat that much.
    The Giants traded their everyday starting catcher midway through the season last year, brought up an inexperienced rookie and, well ... won the World Series.

    It can be done.

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    Re: Expect to see the Reds all over the next wave of rumors

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick View Post
    I think the Reds are HIGHLY unlikely to deal a catcher during the season if still in the race. It makes sense if you're running a stratomatic team, but catchers are so involved with the pitching staff, that it's pretty disruptive to make a change there. And you're talking about trading the guy who has handled our young, Spanish-speaking pitchers and who would leave us without a Spanish-speaking catcher. I know a trade is Jocketty's call, but he seems to value being on the same page as Dusty and I don't think Dusty would dare risk rocking the boat that much.
    What about dealing Hanigan?

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    Re: Expect to see the Reds all over the next wave of rumors

    Quote Originally Posted by Reds/Flyers Fan View Post
    The Giants traded their everyday starting catcher midway through the season last year, brought up an inexperienced rookie and, well ... won the World Series.

    It can be done.
    A.) Their starting catcher was hitting .257/.312/.332
    B.) Their starting rotation was not full of guys who barely spoke English

    Can it be done? Sure. I never suggested it couldn't. I suggested it wouldn't. Apples and Oranges.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    Re: Expect to see the Reds all over the next wave of rumors

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    What about dealing Hanigan?
    I think it's more likely than Hernandez. But I also think the Reds want to keep him around as the 2nd catcher given his defensive skills and friendly contract.

    I don't think they see using Hernandez as the backup to Mes as an option. And I don't think they want to bring up Mes as the 2nd catcher.
    Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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    Re: Expect to see the Reds all over the next wave of rumors

    Would any of you have any interest in Tejada? or the Brandon Crawford kid?
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