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    Thoughts on Ludwick for Heisey (Discussion on ORG)

    Honestly, I'd do it. Heisey is a good 5th OF, but he's still not shown to be the LF of the future. Ludwick immediately can slide right into the #4/#5 hole and will easily OPS +.800 at GABP..not to mention he will want to exact some revenge on St Louis for giving him up for Jake effing Westbrook.

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    Re: Thoughts on Ludwick for Heisey (Discussion on ORG)

    Why would they want Heisey, they are shipping out Ludwick to make room for young outfielders?

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    Re: Thoughts on Ludwick for Heisey (Discussion on ORG)

    Quote Originally Posted by mrherd05 View Post
    Why would they want Heisey, they are shipping out Ludwick to make room for young outfielders?
    No idea, that's apparently what Hal McCoy is saying

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    Re: Thoughts on Ludwick for Heisey (Discussion on ORG)

    I don't see how or why the Padres would do Ludwick for Heisey straight up. There would, IMO, have to be another young player involved for San Diego to even consider the deal.

    That and the fact that Ludwick is a free agent after the season leads me to believe that it might not be the best deal unless they could lock Ludwick up after 2011.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Who Dey Time View Post
    I don't see how or why the Padres would do Ludwick for Heisey straight up. There would, IMO, have to be another young player involved for San Diego to even consider the deal.

    That and the fact that Ludwick is a free agent after the season leads me to believe that it might not be the best deal unless they could lock Ludwick up after 2011.
    He's only due $4.4 mil for the rest of the year...I think if SD is willing to eat the salary they can get a fringe prospect for him, but he is 32 and approaching free agency

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    Quote Originally Posted by Who Dey Time View Post
    I don't see how or why the Padres would do Ludwick for Heisey straight up. There would, IMO, have to be another young player involved for San Diego to even consider the deal.

    That and the fact that Ludwick is a free agent after the season leads me to believe that it might not be the best deal unless they could lock Ludwick up after 2011.
    to me it's quite easy to see why SD would do this move. They dump salary and avoid getting nothing when he would leave via FA and they get a very good young serviceable OF in return. It's Cincy that would be making the dumb move, but since Dusty refuses to recognize Heisey as anything more then the 25th man on the roster, by adding Ryan for the rest of the season it would 'MAYBE' add someone who can hit say 5th and give us some more run production since Gomes ain't gonna do that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brm7675 View Post
    to me it's quite easy to see why SD would do this move. They dump salary and avoid getting nothing when he would leave via FA and they get a very good young serviceable OF in return. It's Cincy that would be making the dumb move, but since Dusty refuses to recognize Heisey as anything more then the 25th man on the roster, by adding Ryan for the rest of the season it would 'MAYBE' add someone who can hit say 5th and give us some more run production since Gomes ain't gonna do that.
    Plain and simple you and a lot of others over value Heisey at this point in his career. I'll agree that watching Gomes and Lewis struggle is head banging at times but that doesn't automatically make Heisey a better player. His performance to date reveals that at this time he is a complimentary player that still needs to work his way into an everyday role.

    The deal makes sense if the Padres are simply looking to dump salary. But, if we are talking about value based on the player's performance, a Heisey-Ludwick trade is a win for the Reds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Who Dey Time View Post
    Plain and simple you and a lot of others over value Heisey at this point in his career. I'll agree that watching Gomes and Lewis struggle is head banging at times but that doesn't automatically make Heisey a better player. His performance to date reveals that at this time he is a complimentary player that still needs to work his way into an everyday role.

    The deal makes sense if the Padres are simply looking to dump salary. But, if we are talking about value based on the player's performance, a Heisey-Ludwick trade is a win for the Reds.
    Exactly...Heisey's numbers, both against lefties and as a starter are not good at all

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    Re: Thoughts on Ludwick for Heisey (Discussion on ORG)

    Quote Originally Posted by Who Dey Time View Post
    Plain and simple you and a lot of others over value Heisey at this point in his career. I'll agree that watching Gomes and Lewis struggle is head banging at times but that doesn't automatically make Heisey a better player. His performance to date reveals that at this time he is a complimentary player that still needs to work his way into an everyday role.

    The deal makes sense if the Padres are simply looking to dump salary. But, if we are talking about value based on the player's performance, a Heisey-Ludwick trade is a win for the Reds.
    You are right we don't know what Heisey can or can't do, but right now I don't see Ludwick as being leaps and bounds better then Heisey. I think it pretty clear that in the field Heisey is better and given how big the SD outfield is I can see where they would prefer a better glove out there. Also if you look at the monies, you probably are getting a overall better "bang' for your buck with Heisey overall, problem is the Reds are not maximizing him at all.

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    Re: Thoughts on Ludwick for Heisey (Discussion on ORG)

    We already have a thread on this. Can a mod please combine the two threads?

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    Re: Thoughts on Ludwick for Heisey (Discussion on ORG)

    Quote Originally Posted by Vottomatic View Post
    We already have a thread on this. Can a mod please combine the two threads?

    Thanks.

    http://www.redszone.com/forums/showt...t=89858&page=3
    My bad...only looked at thread titles, not content inside

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    Re: Thoughts on Ludwick for Heisey (Discussion on ORG)

    Hal McCoy should move to St. Louis. There is no way I would trade Heisey for Ludwick. Heisey just needs to play everyday. We need a shortstop that can hit and a true #1 pitcher much worse than we need Ludwick.

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    Re: Thoughts on Ludwick for Heisey (Discussion on ORG)

    Quote Originally Posted by Carolina Red View Post
    Hal McCoy should move to St. Louis. There is no way I would trade Heisey for Ludwick. Heisey just needs to play everyday. We need a shortstop that can hit and a true #1 pitcher much worse than we need Ludwick.

    But the thing is for whatever the reason the Reds don't value Heisey enough to play him every day. So would you whether see Gomes or Lewis out there in LF, or Ryan Ludwick in LF? Heisey playing every day is simply not even a conceivable option right now in Cincinnati. Whether he should be or not, whether he deserves to be or not isn't even the issue. The issue is do you want the production Gomes and Lewis give you, or do you want the production Ludwick gives you at that position. Heisey for whatever the reason isn't in the equation as a regular.

    I'd add too that anything you get out of Heisey is a regular is all speculation. There's been plenty who have speculated it would not be all that impressive based on his play when he does start. Although granted, that's such a small sample size that projecting much of anything from it is a tad ridiculous. But again just looking at it realistically, when you're talking about the probability of regular at bats among those 4 players, in that conversation you're talking Gomes, Lewis, and Ludwick, with Heisey very much on the outside. Of the first 3, it should be obvious that Ludwick is the best choice.

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    Re: Thoughts on Ludwick for Heisey (Discussion on ORG)

    Merge threads and close, Walt said he hasn't discussed it with SD.

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    Re: Thoughts on Ludwick for Heisey (Discussion on ORG)

    Ludwick would be an upgrade in LF. heisey is not going to be a cornerstone to any deal for a pitcher or SS so I say do it.


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