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    Not sure if this has been reported, but Torreyes to Dayton, Lohman and Gerson to Billings.

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    Thanks 72. I'm excited to see how Torreyes does in Dayton.
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    excellent -- really solidifies the Dayton club as the "next wave" after the Louisville group, IMO -- opens up a spot for Ryan Wright in Billings, too, if they can get him signed
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    Torreyes will be very interesting to watch.

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    It's about time!
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    Very good move!

    I still believe Lohman has a shot at being a replacement level shortstop, but Torreyes deserves the chance to prove himself at a higher level. With Lotzkar returning as well, Hamilton chasing 100 steals, and the team about to set the sellout record, this 2nd half of the season in Dayton will be exciting to watch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The DARK View Post
    Very good move!

    I still believe Lohman has a shot at being a replacement level shortstop, .
    Isn't it kind of premature to limit a guy like Lohman to replacement level?

    I recall the bashing of Zack Cozart as a draftee and beginning player, now everyone is on the bandwagon.

    Lohman probably was rushed to Dayton but at Billings is likely at the appropriate level. Glad the Reds are putting him there, hopefully he'll do well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    Isn't it kind of premature to limit a guy like Lohman to replacement level?

    I recall the bashing of Zack Cozart as a draftee and beginning player, now everyone is on the bandwagon.

    Lohman probably was rushed to Dayton but at Billings is likely at the appropriate level. Glad the Reds are putting him there, hopefully he'll do well.
    I will admit, I wasn't a fan of the Cozart pick when we made it. His scouting reports said he couldn't hit (and to be truthful, at the time, he couldn't hit.... he was all arms in his swing and it was quite apparent). But they also said that he could play a good shortstop.

    Lohman on the flip side had scouting reports that said he couldn't hit (the part that worried me at the time was that the reports noted he would sell out everything he had for power, but in college he showed next to no power) and that he wasn't a good shortstop (range wasn't good, arm was).

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    From the DDN:

    Said a Baseball America scouting report: “Torreyes is a wizard with the glove, capable of making the highlight play ranging into the outfield or behind the bag. At the plate, he has surprising pop for his size and he profiles as a top of the order hitter.”

    In Venezuela with the Reds affiliate in the summer league there last year, Torreyes won the batting title with a .390 average and also led in doubles, triples, slugging percentage and runs.

    “He’s an ideal No. 2 hitter,” Pelaez said. “He can hit, but he doesn’t have that little man’s syndrome where he tries to generate power.”
    http://www.daytondailynews.com/dayto...t-1188390.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    Isn't it kind of premature to limit a guy like Lohman to replacement level?

    I recall the bashing of Zack Cozart as a draftee and beginning player, now everyone is on the bandwagon.

    Lohman probably was rushed to Dayton but at Billings is likely at the appropriate level. Glad the Reds are putting him there, hopefully he'll do well.
    No and no. Doug addressed the Cozart issue.

    Lohman's ceiling is likely somewhere between Chris Valaika and Todd Frazier, therefore a replacement level is pretty accurate. His floor is that he never gets by AA. I wouldn't be surprised by either outcome, especially the latter.

    As a 22 year old former Top 100 pick from a big time college program, putting him in Dayton in his second year of pro ball is hardly rushing him. If anything, given that pedigree he could have started in Dayton last season. The fact that he couldn't hit a lick or play plus defense while there (or in Billings, where everybody hits) only confirms my original statement about his projection.

    I hope the kid turns it around, but I'm certainly not expecting much out of him, now or in the future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Benihana View Post
    No and no. Doug addressed the Cozart issue.

    Lohman's ceiling is likely somewhere between Chris Valaika and Todd Frazier, therefore a replacement level is pretty accurate. His floor is that he never gets by AA. I wouldn't be surprised by either outcome, especially the latter.
    I think you are drastically overrating his ceiling there. Perhaps defensively he falls in with those two guys, but both of those guys have shown power at points in their careers already that Lohman isn't likely to ever touch.

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    Dayton now has a remarkably dynamic roster. No fewer than eight players might be listed on somebody's top 10 in the organization, and almost everybody's top 20: Hamilton, Yorman, Torreyes, Lotzkar, Corcino, Barnhart, Smith, Duran.

    And the next-level guys are no slouches. The great majority could be considered prospects, worthy of the top 40: Vidal, Doyle, Hayes, Howell, Gerson (if he returns), Tuttle (if he returns), Renken, D'Anna, Lutz . . .

    Even if you look at players who might be considered the lesser lights on the club, they're guys still worth keeping an eye on: Bowe, Matthews, Rogers, Walczak, Wolford, Infante. Simply no clunkers there.

    The only guy on the roster who, at this point, has not shown much, is Chris Berset, whom I certainly wouldn't give up on.

    Anybody know where Dayton ranks in the league in terms of average age?
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    Who was the Dayton writer last year? Think he would still try to complain with this type of roster?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bubbachunk View Post
    Who was the Dayton writer last year? Think he would still try to complain with this type of roster?
    Marc Katz. He gone now.

    While Dayton's roster is certainly interesting this year, it should continue to be next year as well. At this point, I'd expect Duran, Yorman, Hamilton, Torreyes, Stephenson, Guillon, Cisco, Mugarian, and either Waldrop or Rosa and Buckley or Arias (or both) to be a part of the team for at least the first half of next season.

    As I look at that, it's possible that Hamilton and possibly Yorman and/or Duran get bumped up to High A ball to start next year. A lot of it will depend on how they perform the second half of this season. Corcino and Smith should play in Bakersfield the second half of this season, and Barnhart will start in High A next year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Benihana View Post
    Marc Katz. He gone now.

    While Dayton's roster is certainly interesting this year, it should continue to be next year as well. At this point, I'd expect Duran, Yorman, Hamilton, Torreyes, Stephenson, Guillon, Cisco, Mugarian, and either Waldrop or Rosa and Buckley or Arias (or both) to be a part of the team for at least the first half of next season.

    As I look at that, it's possible that Hamilton and possibly Yorman and/or Duran get bumped up to High A ball to start next year. A lot of it will depend on how they perform the second half of this season. Corcino and Smith should play in Bakersfield the second half of this season, and Barnhart will start in High A next year.
    I think a lot depends on the second half of the season.

    At the beginning of the year, there were a couple posters that believed it would take the young guys at least half a season to find their rhythm in low A Dayton.

    Now that half the season is over, you've started to see Hamilton come around (over .300 BA and improved slugging over the past two weeks). Duran has been a pleasant surprise all year and is slugging well. Yorman is starting to take walks and has hit a little better over his last few games. All could very well make huge jumps as the second half unfolds.

    Torreyes is likely going to stay in Dayton until the halfway point of the next season, though he could very well make the jump with the Yorman, et al, if he hits like he has his entire career.

    Guillon, Stephenson, Cisco, Mugarian, Waldrop, Rosa, Buckley, and, IMO, Wright, Lohman, Buckley, Arias, etc, should make the trip to Dayton in 2012 (and perhaps this season).

    A quick and dirty batting order/ starting rotation for 2012:
    Devin Lohman/ Ryan Wright 2B
    Junior Arias SS
    Juan Silva OF
    Nicholas O'Shea 1B
    Jaren Matthews OF
    Kyle Waldrop OF
    Sean Buckley 3B
    Vicioso/ Gonzalez C

    Add in a bunch of interesting bats as DH/ extra OFs/ middle IFs and you've got another good bunch of kids ready.

    This assumes, of course, that the Hamilton/ Yorman/ Duran/ Torreyes group hits in Dayton.

    The rotation:
    Tanner Robles/ Stephenson
    Sterling Gerson
    Cisco
    Wes Mugarian
    Ismael Guillon

    That's a pretty solid prospect rotation with both youth and upside. Same with the offense.
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