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    Another trade - would you do it?

    Matt Kemp straight up for Stubbs and Heisey.

    Dodgers have Gwynn, Jr., Kemp, and Ethier in their outfield. Gwynn has no power and isn't very good. Dodgers unload salary and get a cheap first round pick in Stubbs and a quality cheap outfielder in Heisey.

    Reds get their 4-hole hitter to protect Votto.

    Would you do it?
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    Re: Another trade - would you do it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vottomatic View Post
    Matt Kemp straight up for Stubbs and Heisey.

    Dodgers have Gwynn, Jr., Kemp, and Ethier in their outfield. Gwynn has no power and isn't very good. Dodgers unload salary and get a cheap first round pick in Stubbs and a quality cheap outfielder in Heisey.

    Reds get their 4-hole hitter to protect Votto.

    Would you do it?


    Probably not.
    I would rather package Alonso, Heisey, and two top AAA prospect not named Mesoraco for Kemp.
    Dodgers make payroll and Reds have one of, if not the best offensive outfields in all of baseball.

    Then the Reds can address the SS position.

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    Re: Another trade - would you do it?

    I should say CF isn't a position of need. By swapping a position of stength for the same position does only so much and adding payroll isn't the right move. Why add payroll if your not addressing your main needs at weaker positions (SS, LF).

    I would rather keep Stubbs and deal Heisey for Ludwick, then have a outfield of Gomes and Kemp.

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    Re: Another trade - would you do it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vottomatic View Post
    Matt Kemp straight up for Stubbs and Heisey.

    Dodgers have Gwynn, Jr., Kemp, and Ethier in their outfield. Gwynn has no power and isn't very good. Dodgers unload salary and get a cheap first round pick in Stubbs and a quality cheap outfielder in Heisey.

    Reds get their 4-hole hitter to protect Votto.

    Would you do it?
    Nope, don't give up Stubbs. I would offer them say Heisey, LeCure and maybe Sapplet for Kemp.

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    Re: Another trade - would you do it?

    Ummmmm... No.... I agree with previous poster why trade for a defensive downgrade at a significant boost to payroll, while still having major issues at other positions.

    I believe "IF" Stubbs ever learns to cut down his exorbitant K rate he will be the best at his position in this generation. The talent is there, but I wonder if his grey matter processes the possibilities of what "could be" if he'd just put the ball in play. His pitch recognition needs improvement and cutting down that swing especially when he has two strikes are points he needs to focus ardently upon during batting practice and games.

    As for the trade I'd love to have Matt Kemp but not if Drew Stubbs in the deal. I could see Heisey or Sappelt and Alonso for starters peaking their interests since they need a young, power hitting 1b and a left fielder.

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    Re: Another trade - would you do it?

    If there was not a huge salary difference then I'd make the trade. Kemp is one of the best players in baseball right now and is the same age as Stubbs. Stubbs' speed would be missed but since trading Heisey would open a roster spot I'd call up Sappelt and bat him first.

    A top 4 like this looks pretty good
    1.Sappelt CF
    2. Phillips
    3.Votto
    4.Kemp LF
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    Re: Another trade - would you do it?

    Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. (One for each day of the week.)

    I can't believe there's actually arguments against it. Absolutely baffled.

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    Re: Another trade - would you do it?

    Yes, but I don't think the Dodgers would do it. They would want a better return than Stubbs and Heisey.

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    Re: Another trade - would you do it?

    No, and I'm disregarding how valuable Kemp is here, because this trade leaves us with no center fielders (the most important OF position) beyond Sappelt. That's unacceptable.

    Stubbs has 10 home runs and more than 20 steals on the year, while keeping a respectable average and playing above average defense. He's not an ideal leadoff hitter, but he's still very young and is very valuable to this Reds team. For a player of his caliber who will be under team control for as long as him, some serious talent needs to be shelled out.

    How long would we have Kemp in this situation? We almost certainly can't afford to resign him when his contract does run out, so he'd better have a good 2 or 3 years left after this season.

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    Re: Another trade - would you do it?

    No doubter - don't think the Dodgers would do it, honestly. I think it would take more minor league prospects. Heisey, the catcher (I can't spell his name), and Alonso would be a start, I think Stubbs loses trade value because of his K's. I think the deal could be done without Stubbs.

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    Re: Another trade - would you do it?

    I will answer this by looking at it from the other side...there is no way in hell the Dodgers would do it.

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    Re: Another trade - would you do it?

    Does EV have any trade value left? Would you guys be willing to part with him?

    Just curious...

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    Re: Another trade - would you do it?

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    Does EV have any trade value left? Would you guys be willing to part with him?

    Just curious...
    In a flash.....if including him in a trade would get the Reds a better "piece to the puzzle".

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    Re: Another trade - would you do it?

    Quote Originally Posted by bshall2105 View Post
    If there was not a huge salary difference then I'd make the trade. Kemp is one of the best players in baseball right now and is the same age as Stubbs. Stubbs' speed would be missed but since trading Heisey would open a roster spot I'd call up Sappelt and bat him first.

    A top 4 like this looks pretty good
    1.Sappelt CF
    2. Phillips
    3.Votto
    4.Kemp LF
    Sappelt would be a major defensive downgrade in CF. He is a very good corner outfielder, but he would be a below average CF. He is completely unproven offensively. I would try to sell them a package built around two of Alonso, Heisey, Wood and Leake and leave Stubbs out of the discussion.

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    Re: Another trade - would you do it?

    I would,if I could man center field.Maybe keep Hiesey and substitute a pitcher.


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