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    Dave Cameron: Reds need to go big or go home

    Nice piece from Dave Cameron on the Reds. He thinks they should go after Jose Reyes or a J.J. Hardy/Jeremy Guthrie package.

    No team in baseball, however, is in a better position to make a blockbuster, season-altering trade than the Reds. The Reds have more talent in Triple-A than several teams do in the Majors, and they have depth on the Major League roster they can move as well. Having multiple interesting young players at every position is nice, but itís time for the Reds to turn some of that excess into the best big league player(s) they can acquire.
    http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index...ig-or-go-home/
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    Re: Dave Cameron: Reds need to go big or go home

    This is pretty much how I have felt since the end of last year. Call me a pessimist, but the Cincinnati Reds in my lifetime have been pretty bad. The way I see it they have a small window (3-4 years) to win a World Series. Words can not express how disappointed I will be if they don't give it their best effort and with each new season comes new injuries, failures, etc. You aren't guaranteed to be in this position next year.
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    Re: Dave Cameron: Reds need to go big or go home

    How's the attendance compared to '10? Phil Castellini said last season that the fans needed to show up more than they were at the time if they wanted the team to be able to afford a big FA.

    If the money's not there, we shouldn't expect a deal.

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    Re: Dave Cameron: Reds need to go big or go home

    Nice article. Can't say I disagree with any of it, either. Here's to hoping the Reds' brass feels the same way.

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    Re: Dave Cameron: Reds need to go big or go home

    Don't get Reyes without getting Beltran too. Actually I would prefer Beltran first and Reyes if he can be gotten.
    Sabermetrics is this: A batter's goal is to extend the inning. Extend enough innings and you're going to score runs. Extend more innings than your opponent and you're going to score more runs than him.

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    Re: Dave Cameron: Reds need to go big or go home

    The article is how I think a lot of people here feel.

    And there will be more guys available than just Reyes.
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    Re: Dave Cameron: Reds need to go big or go home

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    How's the attendance compared to '10? Phil Castellini said last season that the fans needed to show up more than they were at the time if they wanted the team to be able to afford a big FA.

    If the money's not there, we shouldn't expect a deal.
    If the money's not there, then the Reds should promote its very best AAA guys to fill holes on the major league team.

    People, myself included, are frustrated by the inactivity. If not trades, then there should be promotions.

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    Re: Dave Cameron: Reds need to go big or go home

    Cameron doesn't mention that Reyes would be a three month rental, and a huge payroll increase. I have no problem with a deal like that to get Reyes if I thought the Reds could sign him to an extension. But that ain't happening.

    I agree with the concept, it is time to cash in on some of these prospects, and I am confident that improvements will be made. But I would much rather use those guys to get a solid #1 or an above average LF.
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    Re: Dave Cameron: Reds need to go big or go home

    Quote Originally Posted by 757690 View Post
    Cameron doesn't mention that Reyes would be a three month rental, and a huge payroll increase. I have no problem with a deal like that to get Reyes if I thought the Reds could sign him to an extension. But that ain't happening.

    I agree with the concept, it is time to cash in on some of these prospects, and I am confident that improvements will be made. But I would much rather use those guys to get a solid #1 or an above average LF.
    A solid #1 isn't available.

    Reyes probably is.
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    Re: Dave Cameron: Reds need to go big or go home

    If the Twins have a cold couple of weeks, I'd like to see the Reds make a play for Liriano.

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    Re: Dave Cameron: Reds need to go big or go home

    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    If the money's not there, then the Reds should promote its very best AAA guys to fill holes on the major league team.

    People, myself included, are frustrated by the inactivity. If not trades, then there should be promotions.
    Starting arb clocks prematurely is not a strategy for long-term success.

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    Re: Dave Cameron: Reds need to go big or go home

    Reyes has already said he won't sign an extension during the regular season. No good reason to trade three talented prospects for a rental. Just wait until the offseason and we can sign him along with everyone else.
    Last edited by AmarilloRed; 06-24-2011 at 01:21 PM. Reason: Reyes agent said it-not Reyes

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    Re: Dave Cameron: Reds need to go big or go home

    Quote Originally Posted by Unassisted View Post
    Starting arb clocks prematurely is not a strategy for long-term success.
    Leaving guys at AAA until they lose their prospect status is not a strategy for long-term success.

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    Re: Dave Cameron: Reds need to go big or go home

    I, for one, appreciate the patience of Walt and Dusty. I think we all agree that the team is set up and gearing towards sustainable success over a long period of time. Or at least sustainable competitiveness. I think they're achieving that.

    Let's not get delusional and act like the Reds could bring Cozart up, play him every day at SS and bat him in the four hole. No need to 'go big or go home'. The Brewers decided to do it, but the Reds aren't in that position. I can't see any need to unload prospects for a few months of an average at best starting pitcher and a shortstop playing over his head. I trust Walt to make the right move if it comes along for the betterment of the team in the short-term and the long-term.
    "In our sundown perambulations of late, through the outer parts of Brooklyn, we have observed several parties of youngsters playing 'base', a certain game of ball. Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our close rooms, the game of ball is glorious"
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    Re: Dave Cameron: Reds need to go big or go home

    If Castellini wants more people at games, his team needs to start playing better at home in particular, and be a little more exciting offensively.


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