Turn Off Ads?

View Poll Results: What's Wrong With the Wreds?

Voters
47. You may not vote on this poll
  • The offense

    5 10.64%
  • Starting pitching

    7 14.89%
  • Relief pitching

    1 2.13%
  • Ambiguous lack of "clutch" -- not getting timely hits or timely pitching

    16 34.04%
  • Managing

    6 12.77%
  • Left side -- SS/3B/LF

    9 19.15%
  • Something else

    3 6.38%
Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 25

Thread: What's Wrong with the Wreds?

  1. #1
    Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Location
    St. Louis, MO
    Posts
    679

    What's Wrong with the Wreds?

    (Remember that SI cover from the Eric Davis era -- pre-WS victory so it must have been late 80s).

    So what is it? I think it is D.

  2. Turn Off Ads?
  3. #2
    Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Location
    Fort Wayne, Indiana
    Posts
    860

    Re: What's Wrong with the Wreds?

    They simply aren't much more than an 85 win team. It's a combination of not having enough talent, and not having guys that pitch deep into games.
    "There are high fastballs and then theres Chapman's high fastball" -Chris Welsh

  4. #3
    ZCTRMTP!!!!!
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Posts
    10,797

    Re: What's Wrong with the Wreds?

    Rip Van Jocketty.

  5. #4
    Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    Big Bear City, CA
    Posts
    551

    Re: What's Wrong with the Wreds?

    The Reds are like many other teams...they can't afford to buy championships like the Yankees, Red Sox, Philly, etc. They have to hope everything gels at the same time like happened in 1990. The Reds in 1990 were far from the best team on the field, but a hot pitcher (Rijo) and an overachieving offense came together at the right time. You can say the same about some other recent winners like Florida and the Giants. Everything just fell into place at the same time. Things haven't been going the Reds way so far this year, but were only half way home and still close in the standings. Granted, they are going to have to get back some of the magic from last year and address some of the problems that have been occurring too frequently to have a chance.

  6. #5
    Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    Big Bear City, CA
    Posts
    551

    Re: What's Wrong with the Wreds?

    One other point, the window of opportunity is very short as far as the current players are concerned. A player in his prime probably has 3 or 4 years at his peak. If that is so, we may already be using up players like Votto and Phillips. Think about it...just about the time when Bruce, Cueto, Leake, and a few others get into their prime, Votto and Phillips may very well be on the decline. Look at Phillips now..he's has already gone from a 30/30 guy to hitting only half as many home runs and now steals very seldom. It shows why many teams play for now, and not so much the future. The Reds management seems to be looking down the road and not at today.

  7. #6
    Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Location
    Cuyahoga Falls Ohio
    Posts
    769

    Re: What's Wrong with the Wreds?

    they just aren't that good. Fluke year last season, needed upgrades in the offseason to keep at it but Management refused to do so.

  8. #7
    Member
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Location
    South Charleston, Ohio
    Posts
    413

    Re: What's Wrong with the Wreds?

    The answer to this question is...many things. The Reds roster as constructed has several glaring weaknesses. The starting rotation has had problems, the offense lacks a CONSISTENT threat other than Votto, left field and short have been awful, and Rolen at third has been unimpressive. The thing that stands out to me this season is the lack of a consistent run producing bat behind Votto. Bruce has great stats, but is still young and very streaky. Cueto is the closest thing we have to an ace, and if he continues to perform at his current level will be our "ace" for years to come. Arroyo will be himself, Leake will continue to progress. In other words I am not concerned with our starting pitching. If the opposition were forced to pitch to Votto, or the "run producer" behind him we would see more wins. I am convinced that if we were to acquire such a bat this team would take off offensively. I know we are one of the better offensive team in the NL, but now is not the time to be complacent. Get a bat, get a bullpen arm, stay healthy, and the Reds will be just fine.

  9. #8
    Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    Cincinnati/Athens
    Posts
    654

    Re: What's Wrong with the Wreds?

    Where is the, "they are scoring less than the other team" option?
    "When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail"

  10. #9
    5.3 Posts Abv Replacement BluegrassRedleg's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Location
    South of Cincinnati
    Posts
    2,141

    Re: What's Wrong with the Wreds?

    Quote Originally Posted by 40YrRedsFan View Post
    The Reds are like many other teams...they can't afford to buy championships like the Yankees, Red Sox, Philly, etc. They have to hope everything gels at the same time like happened in 1990. The Reds in 1990 were far from the best team on the field, but a hot pitcher (Rijo) and an overachieving offense came together at the right time. You can say the same about some other recent winners like Florida and the Giants. Everything just fell into place at the same time. Things haven't been going the Reds way so far this year, but were only half way home and still close in the standings. Granted, they are going to have to get back some of the magic from last year and address some of the problems that have been occurring too frequently to have a chance.
    You gotta love MLB. 80% of the teams have to hope they catch lightning in a bottle every 20 years.

    Another example of why the NFL (even with all the problems they have right now) reigns supreme.
    Rounding third and heading for home...

  11. #10
    Member wlf WV's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    huntington,wv
    Posts
    607

    Re: What's Wrong with the Wreds?

    Quote Originally Posted by BluegrassRedleg View Post
    You gotta love MLB. 80% of the teams have to hope they catch lightning in a bottle every 20 years.

    Another example of why the NFL (even with all the problems they have right now) reigns supreme.
    My candidate for post of the month.

  12. #11
    Member wlf WV's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    huntington,wv
    Posts
    607

    Re: What's Wrong with the Wreds?

    This many games into the season last year,we had won 4 more .The biggest factor is timing of question and our expectations this year.

  13. #12
    All work and no play..... Vottomatic's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    Lebanon
    Posts
    7,067

    Re: What's Wrong with the Wreds?

    1. Starting pitching isn't as good as last year.
    2. Dusty's poor strategical managing got overlooked last year because they won despite him.
    3. LF, SS, leadoff hitter and 4-hole hitter to protect Votto have not been addressed and are all holes for this team.
    4. Division was weaker last year.
    5. Rolen's age is showing.
    6. Small market team. Cannot afford to buy a championship like 20% of mlb teams. Have to catch lightning in a bottle.
    "I can't take this homerism anymore." - 10xWSChamps, August 11, 2010. A Cardinals fan having a problem with all the homerism on Redszone. Classic.

    "Man do I miss the days where were didn't need a calculator and an encyclopedia of baseball metrics to enjoy a baseball game ... - MikeS21" - 8/2/12 game thread

  14. #13
    Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Posts
    134

    Re: What's Wrong with the Wreds?

    Surprised at poll results. Sicilians got it right. "The fish stinks from the head."

  15. #14
    Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Posts
    4,666

    Re: What's Wrong with the Wreds?

    Record wise we are not horribly behind where we were last year, the problem is the other teams are playing better. At this point I am rooting for us to finish around .500 this season because that is the only way change will happen.

  16. #15
    Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    Mt. Lookout
    Posts
    240

    Re: What's Wrong with the Wreds?

    Its still lack of quality consistent pitching in my opinion. Yes, getting a different option at SS would help. Bruce and Stubbs hitting more consistently would help too, but we have scored 10 runs in two of our last 4 games. We have one of the 5 best offenses in all of baseball. Hitting is not as easy to come by as it used to be.
    Reds 2010 NL Central Champs


Turn Off Ads?

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

Board Moderators may, at their discretion and judgment, delete and/or edit any messages that violate any of the following guidelines: 1. Explicit references to alleged illegal or unlawful acts. 2. Graphic sexual descriptions. 3. Racial or ethnic slurs. 4. Use of edgy language (including masked profanity). 5. Direct personal attacks, flames, fights, trolling, baiting, name-calling, general nuisance, excessive player criticism or anything along those lines. 6. Posting spam. 7. Each person may have only one user account. It is fine to be critical here - that's what this board is for. But let's not beat a subject or a player to death, please.

Thank you, and most importantly, enjoy yourselves!


RedsZone.com is a privately owned website and is not affiliated with the Cincinnati Reds or Major League Baseball


Contact us: Boss | GIK | BCubb2003 | dabvu2498 | Gallen5862 | LexRedsFan | Plus Plus | RedlegJake | redsfan1995 | The Operator | Tommyjohn25