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    Cueto & Leake = Pretty darn good #1 and #2 for the next several years

    Gotta think this tandem of Johnny Cueto and Mike Leake will be an excellent 1-2 punch atop the Reds' rotation for years to come. Pretty fired up about it.


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    Re: Cueto & Leake = Pretty darn good #1 and #2 for the next several years

    I like the way Leake pitches a lot, but I'll be disappointed if he's our 2nd best pitcher for year's to come. He's good, but for this team to excel, he needs to be in the 4-5 slot of the rotation. The Reds need at least one starter, outside of Cueto, to be better than Leake.
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    I thought Wood would be the best of the three this year...
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    Re: Cueto & Leake = Pretty darn good #1 and #2 for the next several years

    Quote Originally Posted by Redhook View Post
    I like the way Leake pitches a lot, but I'll be disappointed if he's our 2nd best pitcher for year's to come. He's good, but for this team to excel, he needs to be in the 4-5 slot of the rotation. The Reds need at least one starter, outside of Cueto, to be better than Leake.
    If you look at Leake & Cueto's peripherals, they're so extremely similar it's probably unfair to differentiate them much.

    And I don't mean that as a slight of Cueto, rather I think Leake is still not given enough credit for his stuff and his command.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brutus the Pimp View Post
    If you look at Leake & Cueto's peripherals, they're so extremely similar it's probably unfair to differentiate them much.

    And I don't mean that as a slight of Cueto, rather I think Leake is still not given enough credit for his stuff and his command.
    +1. Leake is better than people think.

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    Re: Cueto & Leake = Pretty darn good #1 and #2 for the next several years

    Leake has blown my mind this year so far. But hasn't earned my trust to do it for one full season yet.

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    Re: Cueto & Leake = Pretty darn good #1 and #2 for the next several years

    Yeah, Cueto is a pretty good number two but I wish we could find someone more like Leake and drop Cueto to the 3 or 4 spot.
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    Re: Cueto & Leake = Pretty darn good #1 and #2 for the next several years

    I like Cueto as the #1, and I like Leake a lot if he can be the #4.

    Let's set Chapman up as the 2 next year and Homer as the 3.
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    Re: Cueto & Leake = Pretty darn good #1 and #2 for the next several years

    Quote Originally Posted by Ghosts of 1990 View Post
    I like Cueto as the #1, and I like Leake a lot if he can be the #4.

    Let's set Chapman up as the 2 next year and Homer as the 3.
    Chapman's hardly cracked a hundred innings in a season. And probably needs a lot more polish to make it past the fifth inning unless something clicks.

    I'm almost content with Chapman as permanent shutdown reliever at this point. Big disappointment relative to expectations, but I'd rather not see us waste time grooming him to blossom somewhere else five years down the road.

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    Re: Cueto & Leake = Pretty darn good #1 and #2 for the next several years

    means nothing without run support
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    Re: Cueto & Leake = Pretty darn good #1 and #2 for the next several years

    Quote Originally Posted by Superdude View Post
    Chapman's hardly cracked a hundred innings in a season. And probably needs a lot more polish to make it past the fifth inning unless something clicks.

    I'm almost content with Chapman as permanent shutdown reliever at this point. Big disappointment relative to expectations, but I'd rather not see us waste time grooming him to blossom somewhere else five years down the road.
    Jocketty still said before this season that he sees Chapman as a starter down the line. I think you have to see if he can do it.
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    Re: Cueto & Leake = Pretty darn good #1 and #2 for the next several years

    Quote Originally Posted by Ghosts of 1990 View Post
    Jocketty still said before this season that he sees Chapman as a starter down the line. I think you have to see if he can do it.
    I'd love to see him be our David Price, but the way we've handled him has been pathetically shortsighted IMO. He's spent the past year trying to break radar guns in the bullpen and has pretty much scrapped everything but his fastball. Not exactly helping his chances of ever being an effective starter for us.

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    Re: Cueto & Leake = Pretty darn good #1 and #2 for the next several years

    Quote Originally Posted by Superdude View Post
    I'd love to see him be our David Price, but the way we've handled him has been pathetically shortsighted IMO. He's spent the past year trying to break radar guns in the bullpen and has pretty much scrapped everything but his fastball. Not exactly helping his chances of ever being an effective starter for us.
    Welsh mentioned that tonight. Chapman is nowhere near that. Price lives on his command. Chapman dies by it.

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    Re: Cueto & Leake = Pretty darn good #1 and #2 for the next several years

    It's amazing what a few weeks do to Reds fans. Just a month ago people were saying Leake is a middle of the rotation starter AT BEST and a #4 or 5 most likely. They were calling for him to be sent to AAA just a short while before that. Fickle is an understatement. :O)

    Personally, I've always been really high on Leake. I love his poise on the mound. I love the movement he generates and I love his ability to locate his pitches. Regardless of his lack of top-end velocity...I fully expect him to be a top of the rotation type of guy within the next few years. This year, no. He's still learning the ropes and he's just in a nice groove right now. Ride it while it lasts and enjoy it. But let's not put undue expectations on the kid this early. Let him grow into the role and enjoy the maturation process.

    Cueto on the other hand...I really think he's taken that proverbial next step. He's a #1 right NOW. (I also think Homer will be once he gets back and healthy...I freaking LOVE his potential)
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    Re: Cueto & Leake = Pretty darn good #1 and #2 for the next several years

    Wood needs more time to develop at the major league level. This will require us to be patient with him for 2 to 3 years. Then he will be a good 2 or 3 starter. He's still young remember that.


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