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    Hitting is most to blame

    I made up these metrics...but they make sense to me.

    Let's say scoring 4 runs a game is mlb average. I think that is close. In all our 88 games this year we avg 4.7 and opps avg 4.3. Based on a 4-run avg, I divided up our losses between "blame it on the offense" (we lost even when the opp scored at or below avg - 4 runs or less) and "blame it on the pitching" (we lost even when our offense scored more than average, meaning 5 or more).

    Blame it on the offense -- 18 losses
    Blame it on pitching -- 8 losses
    Blame it on neither (we just lost) -- 18 losses

    Based on this simple analysis the offense has cost us 10 more games than the pitching.

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    Re: Hitting is most to blame

    theres problems with both

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    Re: Hitting is most to blame

    no. /thread

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    Team records When scoring 2,3, 4, or 5 runs

    Phillies 32-18
    Giants 33-21
    Braves 33-23
    Red Sox 21-18
    Cardinals 24-23
    Yankees 24-24
    Brewers 21-21
    Reds 15-27


    #of times scoring 0 or 1 runs
    Yankees 7
    Reds 11
    Cardinals 12
    Braves 13
    Red Sox 14
    Brewers 15
    Phillies 16
    Giants 18

    damn our offense sure looks like the problem
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    Joey Votto does not care about RBI.

    NEITHER SHOULD ANY OF US

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    Re: Hitting is most to blame

    Global warming is to blame...

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    Re: Hitting is most to blame

    Quote Originally Posted by ervinsm84 View Post
    Team records When scoring 2,3, 4, or 5 runs

    Phillies 32-18
    Giants 33-21
    Braves 33-23
    Red Sox 21-18
    Cardinals 24-23
    Yankees 24-24
    Brewers 21-21
    Reds 15-27


    #of times scoring 0 or 1 runs
    Yankees 7
    Reds 11
    Cardinals 12
    Braves 13
    Red Sox 14
    Brewers 15
    Phillies 16
    Giants 18

    damn our offense sure looks like the problem
    I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. Is that last statement sarcasm or not?

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    Re: Hitting is most to blame

    Quote Originally Posted by redssince75 View Post
    I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. Is that last statement sarcasm or not?


    is it really that difficult to figure out?
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    Re: Hitting is most to blame

    Quote Originally Posted by ervinsm84 View Post
    is it really that difficult to figure out?
    If it was sarcasm, it didn't make much sense to me because it didn't match the stats I compiled, or what I have seen with my own eyes this year.

    If it wasn't sarcasm, it didn't make much sense to me because it didn't seem to match the stats you were trying to throw out.

    Either way, your post didn't make much sense to me I guess. So, never mind.

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    Re: Hitting is most to blame

    not shocked you couldnt put two and two together.

    First thing your stats in the OP are laughable bc you didnt even address which games the pitching was to blame for the win or offense was to blame for the win. to say the offense "cost" them 10 more games just based on looking at the losses is asinine


    Second, the Reds have the worst record by a large margin in games when they scored 2,3, 4, or 5 runs. I wonder why that may be? Maybe bc the other team is scoring too many runs in those games? Just maybe

    Also, the reds having scored 0 and 1 runs in the least amount of games outside of the yankees,amongst those elite teams should pretty much also confirm the offense hasnt been the problem.

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    Re: Hitting is most to blame

    I think what he was trying to point out that a playoff contending team should easily be able to win games where the offense scores less than 5 runs. There is no question at all as to what the problem is. Our pitching has just been aweful.

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    Re: Hitting is most to blame

    Quote Originally Posted by ervinsm84 View Post


    Second, the Reds have the worst record by a large margin in games when they scored 2,3, 4, or 5 runs.
    This is not as good a measure of hitting vs. pitching as the way I analyzed Ws/Ls, which you clearly could not comprehend. No big deal.

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    Re: Hitting is most to blame

    Quote Originally Posted by redssince75 View Post
    This is not as good a measure of hitting vs. pitching as the way I analyzed Ws/Ls, which you clearly could not comprehend. No big deal.

    oh yoda, do explain.


    also funny youre talking about comprehension, considering just a couple posts ago you didnt grasp the most blatant form of sarcasm. Continue burying your head in the sand.
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    Re: Hitting is most to blame

    Quote Originally Posted by ervinsm84 View Post
    oh yoda, do explain.
    I thought it was really, really, really simple, but in 1st-grade terms,

    Boooooo bad offense (Reds lose even when pitching does good) = 18
    Boooooo bad pitching (Reds lose even when hitting does good) = 8

    18 is more than 8. Boooooo bad hitting more than boooooo bad pitching.

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    Re: Hitting is most to blame

    Quote Originally Posted by redssince75 View Post
    I thought it was really, really, really simple, but in 1st-grade terms,

    Boooooo bad offense (Reds lose even when pitching does good) = 18
    Boooooo bad pitching (Reds lose even when hitting does good) = 8

    18 is more than 8. Boooooo bad hitting more than boooooo bad pitching.
    wow, you really are just that dumb.
    Newsflash!

    Joey Votto does not care about RBI.

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    Re: Hitting is most to blame

    RS 419-NL rank 1st
    RA 392-NL rank 13th

    It's really that simple


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