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    That will set us back 3 years and may cost us our window.

    The cold hard truth is that Walt Jockerty did not want Dusty Baker back, but because the Reds arrived a year early and won the division in spite of BakerMetrics, Walt was forced to give Baker a contract extension.

    Instead of a solid baseball man to oversee the youngsters, the Reds are now stuck with Baker.

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    While ultimately fans don't win games, it's rather amusing lots of folks were content JUST winning the division last year.

    Just remember, we played 3 more games than the Pirates last year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FireDusty View Post
    That will set us back 3 years and may cost us our window.

    The cold hard truth is that Walt Jockerty did not want Dusty Baker back, but because the Reds arrived a year early and won the division in spite of BakerMetrics, Walt was forced to give Baker a contract extension.

    Instead of a solid baseball man to oversee the youngsters, the Reds are now stuck with Baker.
    This might be the most ignorant thread i've seen. If you really think Dusty Baker is the problem with the Reds, then you haven't watched much baseball. The simple fact of why they are losing games is either the pitchers give up to many runs, and the fact that when they get very few runs they don't score. I don't think going to the playoffs is going to set us back, and Walt was probably gonna give him an extension anyways. "I think we got here sooner than a lot of people thought -- to the playoffs," general manager Walt Jocketty said. "I think a lot of it is due to Dusty's leadership."
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    I'll take the memories.

    Until last year, in the time that I've been actively following the team, I had never seen the Reds A). win their division, or B). play in the postseason.

    The ending was disappointing, as has this season thus far, but I will never forget where I was and what I was doing when Jay Bruce hit that home run to win the central.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mlh1981 View Post
    I'll take the memories.

    Until last year, in the time that I've been actively following the team, I had never seen the Reds A). win their division, or B). play in the postseason.

    The ending was disappointing, as has this season thus far, but I will never forget where I was and what I was doing when Jay Bruce hit that home run to win the central.
    This. If it's all Dusty's fault this year, why did they win last year with Dusty? Do you really think this team is soooo much better in terms of talent than St. Louis, or Milwaukee that being 3 games behind them is due to bad leadership? The worst thing that happened is having ownership that is content with their team winning a division, and not having goals higher than that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matt85webb View Post
    This might be the most ignorant thread i've seen. If you really think Dusty Baker is the problem with the Reds, then you haven't watched much baseball. The simple fact of why they are losing games is either the pitchers give up to many runs, and the fact that when they get very few runs they don't score. I don't think going to the playoffs is going to set us back, and Walt was probably gonna give him an extension anyways. "I think we got here sooner than a lot of people thought -- to the playoffs," general manager Walt Jocketty said. "I think a lot of it is due to Dusty's leadership."
    Agree 100% with this.

    Any logical person can see how the team has improved in the Walt/Dusty era although a big kudos should be sent to Wayne Krivsky for some very good draft classes as well.

    But when your screen name is FireDusty, you probably missed the logic train.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matt85webb View Post
    This might be the most ignorant thread i've seen. If you really think Dusty Baker is the problem with the Reds, then you haven't watched much baseball. The simple fact of why they are losing games is either the pitchers give up to many runs, and the fact that when they get very few runs they don't score. I don't think going to the playoffs is going to set us back, and Walt was probably gonna give him an extension anyways. "I think we got here sooner than a lot of people thought -- to the playoffs," general manager Walt Jocketty said. "I think a lot of it is due to Dusty's leadership."
    I would break it down 40% GM fault, 40% Manager/Coaches fault and 20% players fault.

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    Can we simply include fans in any upcoming player trades? I suspect that Logan Morrison and a PTBNL for Wood and a train-full of shortsighted bandwagon "trailblazers" might be worth a phone call. Though on the way to Miami they might all cry "mutiny" and try to replace the train conductor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redbear1986 View Post
    Can we simply include fans in any upcoming player trades? I suspect that Logan Morrison and a PTBNL for Wood and a train-full of shortsighted bandwagon "trailblazers" might be worth a phone call. Though on the way to Miami they might all cry "mutiny" and try to replace the train conductor.
    Went to my first game in 1970. Watched a hall of fame manager for nearly a decade. Watched more very good managers after that. Seen so many games and watched so many managerial decisions, from personel decisions to in game strategy.......that the games number over 10,000. The individual situations over 250,000.

    Dusty Baker manages against conventional wisdom more than any manager I have ever seen. His in game strategy is pathetic and has been called out by former players and managers numerous times. His player personel decisions are driven by emotional loyalties & personal friendships more than they are about what is best for the team.

    Dusty owes his career record as a manager to the fact that he managed 2 steroid super stars in 2 cities with mega payrolls. Whenever Baker has been asked to actually manage, strategize and get more out of less, he has failed miserably and been promptly run out of town.

    The same will happen here. Sadly, it will be a blown window of opportunity for the Reds as it will take 2 or 3 more years to extricate him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FireDusty View Post
    Dusty owes his career record as a manager to the fact that he managed 2 steroid super stars in 2 cities with mega payrolls. Whenever Baker has been asked to actually manage, strategize and get more out of less, he has failed miserably and been promptly run out of town.
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    Could the same be said for TLR when he was at Oakland & St. Louis? The Cardinals new stadium is built on steroid performance.

    The fact is most of Baker's tenure as a manager has been in the steroid era. I'm sure you could say that many managers in the last 15 years won because of steroid superstars.

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    Yep, Dusty is the guy pitching 4.5 ERA ball, and OPSing .520
    "When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail"

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    Re: Worst Thing That Happened Was Winning Division In 2010

    Quote Originally Posted by FireDusty View Post
    That will set us back 3 years and may cost us our window.

    The cold hard truth is that Walt Jockerty did not want Dusty Baker back, but because the Reds arrived a year early and won the division in spite of BakerMetrics, Walt was forced to give Baker a contract extension.

    Instead of a solid baseball man to oversee the youngsters, the Reds are now stuck with Baker.
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    Re: Worst Thing That Happened Was Winning Division In 2010

    Pretty forward thinking from a guy named "FireDusty."

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    Ok, so let's fire Dusty. Who did you have in mind to hire that would actually come here? Are you a Jerry Narron fan?

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    Re: Worst Thing That Happened Was Winning Division In 2010

    So, some of you think we are winning more games because of dusty? I completely disagree with that, I personally think he throws more games away than any manager in the MLB. He stuck with Volquez too long, he stuck with reneria/janish too long, he stuck with Gomes too long, he is sticking with stubbs WAY too long. He is a TERRIBLE manager.
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