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    Dragons to make history

    Saw this and thought it was very interesting.
    http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/n...=news_farmalmc

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    Re: Dragons to make history

    Congrats to Dayton -- the greatest minor league baseball town in America.
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    Re: Dragons to make history

    A great year for this to happen as this team is absolutely loaded with prospects.

    Last check I counted 12 prospects that could be considered good enough to be in the top 20 of the entire Reds system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BuckeyeRedleg View Post
    A great year for this to happen as this team is absolutely loaded with prospects.

    Last check I counted 12 prospects that could be considered good enough to be in the top 20 of the entire Reds system.
    Which 12?
    Corcino
    Hamilton
    Rodriguez
    Torreyes
    Duran

    I wouldn't have Barnhart or Lotzkar in my top 20 right now. Josh Smith has great numbers, but I wouldn't put him in the Top 20. He has solid stuff, but as a starter I don't see him being special. As a reliever I think he could be a good one, but he won't close so the value isn't there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    Which 12?
    Corcino
    Hamilton
    Rodriguez
    Torreyes
    Duran

    I wouldn't have Barnhart or Lotzkar in my top 20 right now. Josh Smith has great numbers, but I wouldn't put him in the Top 20. He has solid stuff, but as a starter I don't see him being special. As a reliever I think he could be a good one, but he won't close so the value isn't there.
    Drew Hayes has some awesome numbers, imho. 30 games, 38 IP, 14 hits, 57 Ks, 13 saves and a 0.94 ERA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuff Nut View Post
    Drew Hayes has some awesome numbers, imho. 30 games, 38 IP, 14 hits, 57 Ks, 13 saves and a 0.94 ERA.
    He does have awesome numbers, and heck, he even has good stuff.... but control issues need to be worked on and he doesn't project to be a closer. Non closer relievers simply don't have high value in terms of prospect lists because the idea is that a lot of guys can be 6-8th inning guys, where as there aren't nearly as many guys that can close at the big league level. As of right now, I would only have one reliever in my Top 20 and that would be Boxberger. And he would be outside of the Top 10 and he is a guy who is flat out dominating at the highest levels of the minors and can throw up to 98 MPH (though he doesn't work there).

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    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    He does have awesome numbers, and heck, he even has good stuff.... but control issues need to be worked on and he doesn't project to be a closer. Non closer relievers simply don't have high value in terms of prospect lists because the idea is that a lot of guys can be 6-8th inning guys, where as there aren't nearly as many guys that can close at the big league level. As of right now, I would only have one reliever in my Top 20 and that would be Boxberger. And he would be outside of the Top 10 and he is a guy who is flat out dominating at the highest levels of the minors and can throw up to 98 MPH (though he doesn't work there).
    I've only checked his stats a few times, and don't recall his walks being high.( a reference to the control issue) He is from a local town, about 35 miles from me, and pitched for a Kitty League team, that was in my town, for a couple years, before going to Cape Cod. I thought he was more of a starter, but can see where being a reliever, will get him innings, and he can work on things. Much like his college teammate, David Price. I still think he can be a productive pro, and help this team in a couple years, if it even takes him that long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    He does have awesome numbers, and heck, he even has good stuff.... but control issues need to be worked on and he doesn't project to be a closer. Non closer relievers simply don't have high value in terms of prospect lists because the idea is that a lot of guys can be 6-8th inning guys, where as there aren't nearly as many guys that can close at the big league level. As of right now, I would only have one reliever in my Top 20 and that would be Boxberger. And he would be outside of the Top 10 and he is a guy who is flat out dominating at the highest levels of the minors and can throw up to 98 MPH (though he doesn't work there).
    I don't know if I would agree with "flat out dominating," but he's been very good this year. He still walks too many batters to be dominating in my opinion, but he makes up for it with Ks and a low HR rate.

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    Re: Dragons to make history

    Quote Originally Posted by dougdirt View Post
    Which 12?
    Corcino
    Hamilton
    Rodriguez
    Torreyes
    Duran

    I wouldn't have Barnhart or Lotzkar in my top 20 right now. Josh Smith has great numbers, but I wouldn't put him in the Top 20. He has solid stuff, but as a starter I don't see him being special. As a reliever I think he could be a good one, but he won't close so the value isn't there.
    As you mentioned, the big 5:

    Corcino
    Duran
    Hamilton
    Torreyes
    Rodriguez

    Then:

    Lotzkar
    Vidal
    Barnhart
    Josh Smith
    Hayes
    Renken
    Gerson

    I like D'Anna too.

    I'm sure 12 might be a slight exaggeration, but I really think those 12 (+ D'Anna) are all solid and could be considered decent prospects. I think coming into the year, Lotzkar was ranked #10 by BA and #15 by our own Redszone. He's healthy (knock on wood) and has some decent peripheral numbers after 5 starts. Smith and Hayes might be a little old for low A, but they have been lights out. Overall a ton of talent down there and a ton to be excited about going forward.

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    Re: Dragons to make history

    Bought my tickets for this game about a month ago, can't wait to be there when they break the record.

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    I think there is some confusion going on here.... Tuff Nut, you are quoting numbers I posted on Brad Boxberger. My point was actually that his control had been quite strong since the month of April ended and that I wasn't concerned with it.

    With Drew Hayes, he has improved his number of walks so far with each month of the season (July not withstanding, but he has 2 walks in 4.2 innings so it really isn't valid to add this month in yet). But, in April, he had a BB/9 of 5.58. That is very bad. In May, it dropped to 4.38. That is still quite poor. In June, it lowered to 3.27. That is below average.

    Improvement is good to see, but he has gone from really bad to slightly below average so far. Lots of improvement to go still, especially when considering the competition level where a lot of players are willing to expand the strikezone.

    He has a good arm, but it isn't a great arm. Tonight he was working in the low 90's and hit 94 once.

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    Fair enough. But, as his low ERA shows, atleast those walks aren't scoring, and at the present time, this has been killing the Reds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuff Nut View Post
    Fair enough. But, as his low ERA shows, atleast those walks aren't scoring, and at the present time, this has been killing the Reds.
    If you keep putting guys on, you will eventually get bitten in the butt
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuff Nut View Post
    Fair enough. But, as his low ERA shows, atleast those walks aren't scoring, and at the present time, this has been killing the Reds.
    Eventually it will catch up with you though, especially at the higher levels (if there isn't improvement of course).


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