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  1. 07-10-2011, 05:05 PM #1
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    Dusty Baker

    Look, I'm not one to think that a manager has a big impact on games, but this has gotten to the point that it's ridiculous. It's one of those things that we don't have stats to examine how good/bad a manager is but I seriously doubt anybody that watches the Reds on a day to day basis thinks he's doing a good job. Cordero was obviously spent today and to leave him in the game with a full complement of players in the pen with the break coming up is inexcusable. Pythag is supposed to be great indication but when your manager keeps losing game after game it's no wonder the real record is not an indication of what the pythag record says the Reds should be. If nothing else, maybe this will be Dusty's last stint in professional baseball at the end of this campaign.
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    Re: Dusty Baker

    Oh look, another knee-jerk thread!
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    Re: Dusty Baker

    Wasn't a thread almost exactly like this closed yesterday?
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    Re: Dusty Baker

    Quote Originally Posted by Quatitos View Post
    Wasn't a thread almost exactly like this closed yesterday?
    Yes
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    Re: Dusty Baker

    For all I know, this one may get closed too. I think it's time we actually discuss the manager's qualities and faults. We discuss players til the end of time, I'm not sure why a logical thread on the manager wouldn't be ok?
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    Re: Dusty Baker

    Quote Originally Posted by Quatitos View Post
    Wasn't a thread almost exactly like this closed yesterday?
    Change the thread title and it probably wouldn't have.
    Quote Originally Posted by Brutus the Pimp View Post
    Oh look, another knee-jerk thread!
    A whole season of sporadic play and under performers leads to discussion over possible problems. Today by some was a microcosm of the season's entirety.



    The board can rail Janish/LF/SS/SP/Cordero/whoever, but Dusty Baker is beyond criticism? When did this memo come out? Part of his job is game strategy, but a bigger part is player management/motivation. At this point he is struggling at 3 of the 3.
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    Re: Dusty Baker

    Quote Originally Posted by thatcoolguy_22 View Post
    The board can rail Janish/LF/SS/SP/Cordero/whoever, but Dusty Baker is beyond criticism? When did this memo come out? Part of his job is game strategy, but a bigger part is player management/motivation. At this point he is struggling at 3 of the 3.
    I'm not sure what message board you've been reading, but Dusty gets his share of blame every single day. You can't go a single game thread without Dusty getting criticism.

    And criticism and redundant criticism made in moments of overreaction are very different. Don't think you'll find anyone that believes Baker is above criticism.
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    Re: Dusty Baker

    Quote Originally Posted by Brutus the Pimp View Post
    I'm not sure what message board you've been reading, but Dusty gets his share of blame every single day. You can't go a single game thread without Dusty getting criticism.

    And criticism and redundant criticism made in moments of overreaction are very different. Don't think you'll find anyone that believes Baker is above criticism.
    Timing issue asside, this thread is necessary. A thread devoted to the pros/cons of Dusty has been missing since the afterglow of last year.

    Personally, I think the manager makes little difference in the outcome of a season. There are probably hundreds of stats people can use to compare managers, but the majority will have some flaws. Comparing manager to manager is jedi vs pokemon (sample sizes with the same team, different teams, using strategies based on current roster, etc. etc.) *Sample size noted* Baker is toting a 13-21 record in one loss games. He might not need to be fired, but debate is understandable.
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    Re: Dusty Baker

    I believe every member of RedsZone understands the game of baseball, every team is going to lose games but when you give games away in bunches it does get frustrating. Let' all just hope for a better second half of the season.
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    Re: Dusty Baker

    Quote Originally Posted by Brutus the Pimp View Post
    Oh look, another knee-jerk thread!
    45-47. I won't accuse anyone of a knee-jerk reaction at this point.
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    Re: Dusty Baker

    Quote Originally Posted by Brutus the Pimp View Post
    Oh look, another knee-jerk thread!
    It aint April, or May, or even June. Simply put, he's not good. Call it knee-jerk, stupid, shameful, what have you. If you support him, more power to you.
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    Re: Dusty Baker

    Quote Originally Posted by Brutus the Pimp View Post
    Oh look, another knee-jerk thread!
    Wrong. 92 games of disappointing and uninspiring baseball led by a man that's not optimizing his team's chances of winning.
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    FIRE DUSTY! This team needs someone like Billy Martin as the manager. Kick someones butt and take names later. He has this team Oma complete mess. The bullpen is a mess.
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    Re: Dusty Baker

    Quote Originally Posted by alexad View Post
    FIRE DUSTY! This team needs someone like Billy Martin as the manager. Kick someones butt and take names later. He has this team Oma complete mess. The bullpen is a mess.
    Would you want to work for someone like that? Why do fans want people to manage a baseball team that you wouldn't want to work for in real life?
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    Re: Dusty Baker

    Quote Originally Posted by alexad View Post
    FIRE DUSTY! This team needs someone like Billy Martin as the manager. Kick someones butt and take names later. He has this team Oma complete mess. The bullpen is a mess.
    His name is Pete MacKanin...he is the right guy the same way Special K was and is the right guy.
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