The point is we had the lead going into the 9TH ininng.Originally Posted by kaldaniels
Dusty blew it by going with an over worked and ineffective Cordero.
To make matters worse he left him out there after it was apparent to everyone that Cordero didn't have his good stuff or any sign of command of his pitches.
I agree, but as blame-doler-outer...how much of the blame pie would you assign to Bruce?
A lot less and it's not because of any bias. Bruce was being aggressive. Dusty put Cordero in the game knowing he had been overworked the last 5 days (including a non save situation) and even after Cordero got in trouble, still continued to let him pitch.
After not busting it out of the box.
95% of players don't bust it out of a box on a play like that. I'm not saying it's right, but singling Bruce out for that is not fair.
Blame-doller-outer.
I'm not the blame-doller-outer but in my opinion Dusty gets all the blame for today's loss. We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.
All I'm getting at is I don't think Dusty is the reason the Reds are 4 back at the break. I understand he's not everyone's cup of tea. But do you guys really think it is Dusty, or is it lack of performance?
Fair to me, and I love Jay Bruce. 162 game season, everyone is gonna screw up sometime. I just call it as I see it and move on.
/And again, Dusty screwed up the last 2 days as well.
Hundreds of actions and decisions are made during a game. Dozens of them directly influence who wins.
Dusty's decision to put in Cordero was just one of those. It happened at the end, so it's natural to overvalue it, but it really was just one of many reasons why the Reds lost.
Let's put it this way, if Cordero did get the save, would the victory be because of the decision to put him in?
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Agreed. Lots of other things happened in the game to make this sitiation. More runs on the board might have made it all moot. Dusty screwed up though. That is clear. I just think its only one of many reasons that the Reds went 2-5 on a trip to its top division rivals who were both basically missing their top guys (Pujols missed most of the Cards' series and Braun didn't play in Milwaukee).
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I thoroughly agree. Dusty is a good manager. Did I get somewhat upset in yesterday's game? Sure did. Was it Dusty's fault when in the 6th Gomes gets doubled off 1B on the sharp line drive by RH to the SS? Dontrelle comes up next and doubles down the RF line. Man! What could have been there.
Where I questioned Dusty...
8th inning.... Bruce is on 2B with 1 out. Dusty lets Gomes face RHer Roe. We all know the story with Gomes and RH'd pitching, and in this AB he lived up to that rep by K'ing and looking bad doing so. I would have PH Lewis for Gomes in that situation, who has pretty solid numbers vs Rhers.
I wouldn't have used Cordero either in the 9th. They had Masset warming up in the pen, and Dusty had a good excuse, seeing Coco's performance over the previous two days, to "rest" him and use Nick.
But as it's been stating before - Dusty is loyal to his players, and Coco is his closer. His allowing Coco to close was probably a "vote of confidence" after two blown saves.
It has nothing to do with his performance over this series, but I'll be glad when Cordero is gone after this season. We have guys who, IMO, can fill that role, and not cost us 12M/year.
Silver lining? Kudos to Willis. He looked good overall. The guy is a competitor. He may very well be a upgrade this year in comparison to Volquez. We'll see.
Our pitching is improving (stabilizing overall). IMO, it's our offense. Too much inconsistency. I still say Stubbs has to come out of the leadoff spot, as well as Rolen in cleanup.
But again - this gets back to Dusty and his "loyalties". But I don't put the blunt of this team's performance this year (lethargic) solely on Baker.
Last edited by GAC; 07-11-2011 at 05:00 AM.
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My biggest gripe (after going to Cordero), is not having someone warming up beside him after how he's pitched the last 2 days, and seeing how he didn't have it today. At least give yourself the option.
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